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@blatham,

Incites violence.

Assange has been booted out of the Ecuadorian embassy and is under arrest. I imagine the US will do everything it can to have him extradited so that President "I Love Wikileaks" Trump can issue him a pardon.

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@hightor,

Omg.

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@hightor,

In the Commons, there will be a further ministerial statement on the arrest of Julian Assange after the PMs statements (on discrimination in football and the European Council) today.

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This is from Assange lawyer:

@suigenerisjen

'Just confirmed: #Assange has been arrested not just for breach of bail conditions but also in relation to a US extradition request.'

'From #Assange: The US warrant was issued in December 2017 and is for conspiracy with Chelsea Manning @xychelsea in early 2010.'

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After nearly 30 years in power, Sudan president Omar al-Bashir has been ousted and arrested, the defence minister says.

Speaking on state TV, Awad Ibn Ouf said the army had decided to oversee a two-year transitional period followed by elections.

He also said a three-month state of emergency was being put in place.

Protests against Mr Bashir, who has governed Sudan since 1989, have been under way for several months.

Mr Ibn Ouf said the "regime" was being removed and Mr Bashir would be kept in a safe place.

He said Sudan's constitution was being suspended, border crossings were being closed until further notice and airspace was being closed for 24 hours.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-47891470

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@ggreenwald

'This from @Guardian reporter @ewenmacaskill is critical. Note Obama DOJ looked but found no evidence that Assange worked with Manning, but even if he had, journalists often work with sources. Still a huge threat to press freedom, as @dankennedy_nu argued https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/dec/16/julian-assange-wikileaks-eric-holder …

@ewenmacaskill

'US grand jury behind Assange charges met in secret in 2010 after Guardian, Der Spiegel, NYT published cables. Why are they not being prosecuted? Only difference would be if Assange accused of encouraging Chelsea Manning to leak them?'

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@Brand X,

Assange has been found guilty of breaching bail in 2012 after being arrested at the Ecuadorean embassy in London. Judge Michael Snow said he will be sentenced next month at Southwark crown court. He said Assange had shown the "behaviour of a narcissist who cannot get beyond his own selfish interest".
He faces a prison sentence of up to 12 months when he is sentenced at Crown Court.

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@Setanta,

Yes. Both Putin and Trump (and let's include Rupert Murdoch) hold notions of governance that reflects Machiavelli far more than the men who wrote the constitution. Democratic ideals and the moral codes most of us deem foundational in how we ought to organize human affairs are, to people like those three, foolishly romantic and impediments to their need to dominate others. Those beneath them are perceived as manipulatable fools who are useful only as pawns. One can only imagine the conversations between any of the three men on these matters of accumulating and maintaining power.

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@roger,

Well, that's the thing. Is it more likely, now that I've written that post, that a cartoon safe will fall on any of these folks? Will there be backrooms filled with cartoon moving-company employees plotting squshing our friends as flat as hammered **** because I've inspired them?

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@hightor,

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Trump can issue him a pardon.

Hello Julian
Hello, Mr President
Look, Julian. I'm sure you'd love to go out on spring days to walk in the park or go blast large african animals to hell like my wonderful boys do or just to go out to clubs and grab beautiful women by the pussy. Who doesn't, am I right? That could all happen if...

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

Democratic ideals and the moral codes most of us deem foundational in how we ought to organize human affairs are, to people like those three, foolishly romantic and impediments to their need to dominate others. Those beneath them are perceived as manipulatable fools who are useful only as pawns. One can only imagine the conversations between any of the three men on these matters of accumulating and maintaining power.

It appears to me you are describing today's Democrats. Clearly the framers of Obamacare, including Profs. Jonathan Gruber and Ezekiel Emmanuel fit your description well. Both very clearly and condescendingly expressed their opinions of how little the proletarians understood their self-interest, as they framed the health care law we would have to enact before finding out what it contained. The current crop of Democrat far left hopefuls all seek prescriptive government programs to redistribute our wealth; control all aspects of education, both public and private; and replace religious and cultural norms with their own new concepts of group values and the distorted "morality" that flows from them.

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@georgeob1,

Sorry, george. I can't begin to accept what you wrote in the second and third sentences without some link to credible reporting.

As regards the rest, I suppose it is possible that you actually believe Ocasio-Cortez's political notions represent a greater threat to democratic ideals of honesty, transparency, cooperative effort and maximizing the dignity of all citizens than what Putin or Trump or Murdoch work towards. I suppose that's possible.

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@georgeob1,

That is so far out in fantasy land its ludicrous. Health care for all iswhat the reest of the developed world has done since WW2. It works. Bout damned time we did it. Bllatting about redistribution of wealth is GOP code for oppositjon to reduction of income inequality and thr staggering concentrstion of wealth in fewer and fewwer hands and opposition to remediation of climate change which the whole world mustt act on includjing us.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

Sorry, george. I can't begin to accept what you wrote in the second and third sentences without some link to credible reporting.

A very weak response to issues that have been widely publicized, and are very likely well known to you and most readers here.

blatham wrote:

As regards the rest, I suppose it is possible that you actually believe Ocasio-Cortez's political notions represent a greater threat to democratic ideals of honesty, transparency, cooperative effort and maximizing the dignity of all citizens than what Putin or Trump or Murdoch work towards. I suppose that's possible.

Those may be your concepts of democratic ideals, however, history and the founding principles of our democracy indicate otherwise. Individual freedom and initiative, a preference for local democratic government over central authority of any kind, the separation of Legislative, executive and judicial powers in system of checks and balances that limits excesses from any quarter and promotes consensus and compromise, are those of this country.

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@blatham,

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As regards the rest, I suppose it is possible that you actually believe Ocasio-Cortez's political notions represent a greater threat to democratic ideals of honesty, transparency, cooperative effort and maximizing the dignity of all citizens than what Putin or Trump or Murdoch work towards. I suppose that's possible.

We aren't worried about the "democratic ideals", we are worried about the Constitutional ideals that our country was founded on. There is never an appeal to the Constitution, it is always an appeal to mod rule that the left seeks, why is that?

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I haven't had a chance yet to read much of this longform piece at the NYT but addresses something I've wanted to talk about for a long time.

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Climate Chaos Is Coming - and the Pinkertons Are Ready

https://nyti.ms/2Ghhzbh

The Pentagon knows climate change is going to present serious new challenges to American security and of course not just American security. But even if the Pentagon hadn't publicly expressed this, the rest of us not drowning in Fox/fossil fuel propaganda have been able to surmise precisely the same sort of future.

From there, it is no leap at all to predict that the very wealthy and powerful will move to isolate or insulate themselves and their families for the inevitable chaos up the road. That will include personal armies and likely even intelligence operations. And if we imagined that people like Pinkertons and Erik Prince's crowd aren't gearing up for this new profitable market, we'd be pretty stupid.

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@georgeob1,

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A very weak response to issues that have been widely publicized, and are very likely well known to you and most readers here.

They never want to admit or remember Nancy Pelosi's comment "We have to pass it before we know what's in it". Or the fact that Gruber was caught on tape talking about how they had to fool people into favoring the ACA because they knew what was best for them.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/11/10/aca-architect-the-stupidity-of-the-american-voter-led-us-to-hide-obamacares-tax-hikes-and-subsidies-from-the-public/#35deb6c47c05

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@georgeob1,

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A very weak response to issues that have been widely publicized,

Then it ought to be no trouble to locate and link one.

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limits excesses from any quarter and promotes consensus and compromise

There's an Onion-style group of words to describe the present, to describe what Trump or Putin or Murdoch are up to. They're all for the little guy, for citizen government, for equality, for transparency, for selfless contribution to civic betterment, for compromise. And they are really honest men, aren't they? But you may not hold that honesty is necessary in a functioning democracy.

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@Baldimo,

You keep harping on pellosi and ignoyre the fact that tens of millions are in faxct happy with ibamacare and it haas majjority support while the phony repub plan toreplace it got 18 perceent support. and trump stil comes up a fraud on the issue

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