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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
massacres the Israeli military had committed in 1948
Given the sheer volume of false accusations against Israel, I'm inclined to take these accusations with a grain of salt.

But if the last war crime that Israel committed was in 1948, that makes for 70 years of lawful behavior on Israel's part.

Sez you.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Nope.
Neonazis should always be condemned. They're bad people.

Well, even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Israel's existence is hardly oppression.
Yes it is.

You'll just have to live with it, because Israel is not going anywhere.

And if Israel were ever destroyed, their last act would be to shower their enemies' population centers with tritium-boosted atomic warheads.

You're confusing your RPG fantasies with reality.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
You stand for oppression.

I enjoy oppressing evil. It's sort of a hobby for me.

Good. Oppress the oppressive Zionist regime.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:
But if the last war crime that Israel committed was in 1948, that makes for 70 years of lawful behavior on Israel's part.
Sez you.

No. Says basic mathematics.

2019 minus 1948 equals what?

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

Well, even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

Notice your inability to point out any error that I've made?

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

You're confusing your RPG fantasies with reality.

No I'm not. The first French A-bomb was a joint French/Israeli endeavor.

There is also ample proof that the Israeli nuclear program produces weapon-quantities of tritium.

InfraBlue wrote:

Good. Oppress the oppressive Zionist regime.

No. Israel are the good guys, and I stand with them as a firm ally.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

The first French A-bomb was a joint French/Israeli endeavor.

The first French A-bomb was the Gerboise Bleue
The M1 project to build France's first nuclear weapon began in September 1955 at the Fort de Châtillon. In 1957, the mass of fissile material required was defined. In the same year, the Van de Graaf accelerator at the Saclay centre was used to determine the most appropriate neutron-reflecting material. The implosion chamber, which would compress the plutonium into a supercritical mass, was developed at the Fort de Vaujours, but the neutron primer was still missing3.

A visit to an American supplier at the end of 1958 caused the planned plutonium mass to change so as not to exceed a certain power and risk heavy radioactive contamination of the test site4. However, the structure of the bomb remains the same. The plutonium saved allows the production of another smaller and simpler bomb: the P1 device (White Gerboise

At the end of 1958, the plans for the M1 machine were drawn up. It was built in 1959 but had to wait for the delivery of plutonium produced at Marcoule to be finalised. The first French bomb, of spherical shape, included less than thirty-two explosive lenses or GODSC (centripetal spherical detonation wave generator) held by a sheath of resin and glass fibers and capable of opening to insert, in the center, the fissile core. This plutonium alloy core, called Jezebel, was surrounded by a layer of natural uranium that acted as a "tamper" and neutron reflector to increase the efficiency of the device. An external neutron source, because it was placed outside the core, allowed the chain reaction to be initiated accurately, further improving efficiency. (Translated from wikipedia.)

Your source for your different "fact" is what?

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@Walter Hinteler,

To my knowledge, and after looking through various sources, in October 1957 an agreement was signed between France and Israel about the construction of a nuclear power plant in Israel, which was completed in 1963.
That seems to be the first "joint French/Israeli endeavor".
Michael Karpin's 2001 documentary A Bomb in the Basement doesn't really say more.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Israel did offer nuclear weapons to apartheid South Africa,

Quote:

Secret South African documents reveal that Israel offered to sell nuclear warheads to the apartheid regime, providing the first official documentary evidence of the state's possession of nuclear weapons.

The "top secret" minutes of meetings between senior officials from the two countries in 1975 show that South Africa's defence minister, PW Botha, asked for the warheads and Shimon Peres, then Israel's defence minister and now its president, responded by offering them "in three sizes". The two men also signed a broad-ranging agreement governing military ties between the two countries that included a clause declaring that "the very existence of this agreement" was to remain secret.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons

Lots more about the murky deal at link

Then they welcomed the Nazi John Vorster for a state visit.

Quote:

in 1976, Israel invited the South African prime minister, John Vorster - a former Nazi sympathiser and a commander of the fascist Ossewabrandwag that sided with Hitler - to make a state visit.

Leaving unmentioned Vorster's wartime internment for supporting Germany, Israel's prime minister, Yitzhak Rabin, hailed the South African premier as a force for freedom and made no mention of Vorster's past as he toured the Jerusalem memorial to the six million Jews murdered by the Nazis.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/07/southafrica.israel?CMP=share_btn_tw

The real neo Nazis weren't accusing Israel of "horrible crimes" they were collaborating with Israel in the perpetration of said crimes.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Your source for your different "fact" is what?

"Different fact" implies contradiction.

I perceive no contradiction between "what I said" and "what you quoted".

That said, here is a source:
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm
"One common discussion in the literature concerns testing of Israeli nuclear devices. In the early phases, the amount of collaboration between the French and Israeli nuclear weapons design programs made testing unnecessary. In addition, although their main efforts were with plutonium, the Israelis may have amassed enough uranium for gun-assembled type bombs which, like the Hiroshima bomb, require no testing. One expert postulated, based on unnamed sources, that the French nuclear test in 1960 made two nuclear powers not one—such was the depth of collaboration.25 There were several Israeli observers at the French nuclear tests and the Israelis had “unrestricted access to French nuclear test explosion data.”26 Israel also supplied essential technology and hardware.27 The French reportedly shipped reprocessed plutonium back to Israel as part of their repayment for Israeli scientific help."

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@oralloy,

My response clearly was a respond to your

Quote:

The first French A-bomb was a joint French/Israeli endeavor.

and had nothing to do what you added now in your above post.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Let's not forget Oralloy's definition of anti Semitism begins and ends with criticism of Israel regardless of how justified, factual or mild that might be.

He pointedly refused to condemn his buddy Carlos le Baron's Holocaust denial when it was pointed out to him. He wouldn't even disagree with him.

He's also very happy for anti Semitic slurs to be directed at left wing Jewish people like George Soros.

Oralloy is a hypocrite and a supporter of neo Nazis. He doesn't give a monkey's about ordinary Jewish people, he only cares about Israel because it is complicit in spreading American neo colonialism and hegemony in the Middle East.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Let's not forget Oralloy's definition of anti Semitism begins and ends with criticism of Israel regardless of how justified, factual or mild that might be.

Nonsense. Your horrible false accusations against Israel are neither justified nor factual.

izzythepush wrote:

He pointedly refused to condemn his buddy Carlos le Baron's Holocaust denial when it was pointed out to him. He wouldn't even disagree with him.

Liar.

izzythepush wrote:

He's also very happy for anti Semitic slurs to be directed at left wing Jewish people like George Soros.

Liar.

izzythepush wrote:

Oralloy is a hypocrite and a supporter of neo Nazis.

Liar.

izzythepush wrote:

He doesn't give a monkey's about ordinary Jewish people,

Liar.

izzythepush wrote:

American neo colonialism and hegemony in the Middle East.

Liar.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

My response clearly was a respond to your

Quote:
The first French A-bomb was a joint French/Israeli endeavor.

I know.

Walter Hinteler wrote:

and had nothing to do what you added now in your above post.

You asked for a source. I provided a source. I'd say that is a connection of sorts.

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@oralloy,

All you do is lie, and you even lie to yourself. The only person who believes you've got an IQ of 170 is you.

You really shouldn't discuss matters you know nothing about instead you should think about why your masculinity is so fragile it needs a gun.

You want to ban opposition parties just like the Nazis did. That makes you a freedom hater and a Neo Nazi.

Someone with an IQ of 170 would realise that but you don't.

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@oralloy,

So your sentence

Quote:

The first French A-bomb was a joint French/Israeli endeavor.

actually means

Quote:

that is a connection of sorts.

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@Walter Hinteler,

No. When I said that it was a joint endeavor, what I meant is that they worked on the project together, and they each came away from the project with the same working A-bomb design.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

All you do is lie, and you even lie to yourself.

You cannot point out a single untrue thing that I've said.

izzythepush wrote:

The only person who believes you've got an IQ of 170 is you.

Your disregard for reality is no reflection on my intellect.

izzythepush wrote:

You really shouldn't discuss matters you know nothing about

I don't. That's why you can't point out anything that I am wrong about.

izzythepush wrote:

instead you should think about why your masculinity is so fragile it needs a gun.

You're thinking like a serf here. That stands to reason since non-Americans are serfs. However, your serf mentality does not translate to the thinking of a free American.

Free Americans don't "need" guns. Free Americans choose to have guns.

izzythepush wrote:

You want to ban opposition parties just like the Nazis did. That makes you a freedom hater and a Neo Nazi.

No it doesn't. Don't be silly.

izzythepush wrote:

Someone with an IQ of 170 would realise that but you don't.

No. High intelligence does not cause people to believe your falsehoods.

Quite the opposite actually. You are very easy to see through.

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President Trump is going to become a pariah in his own thread.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

When I said that it was a joint endeavor, what I meant is that they worked on the project together, and they each came away from the project with the same working A-bomb design.

They didn't.

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