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BillRM
 
  3  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 06:37 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Quote:
the anti-bribery provisions of the FCPA prohibit the willful use of the mails or any means of instrumentality of interstate commerce corruptly in furtherance of any offer, payment, promise to pay, or authorization of the payment of money or anything of value
Did Trump use interstate commerce in this alleged bribe? Or did it take place entirely outside US territory?


LOL read it more carefully as US citizens do not need to offer bribes on US soil and sending agents such as Trump former lawyer is enough.

I know that Trump is a snake but even so he can not crawl under the US anti-bribe laws.
neptuneblue
 
  4  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 06:54 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

a) no evidence that he has committed any crimes

b) can't indict a sitting president

c) at some point he will respond in kind to this witch hunt, so leftists should get all of their tax records ready for the IRS to audit


I am curious, what evidence would you actually believe in order to change your stance? If the special investigation does, in fact, PROVE without a doubt, Trump's involvement with Russian to Collude and Conspire to rig the 2016 election, take money to relax sanctions against Russia, Tax Evasion and Fraud, will you change your stance?

And the DOJ does not have an official policy that states a sitting president cannot be indicted. An internal memo merely states that a president cannot fulfill presidential duties while under indictment. That's a far cry from stating emphatically that it cannot happen. It's never been challenged, so it will have to go to Court to decide.

It is my understanding that running for public office, one volunteers their tax filings to PROVE how income is obtained to ensure the non-exitance of compromising events such as bribery or illegal activity. Although Trump is not "obligated" to do so, it will have repercussions to the extent that will probably change by law in the near future. So, if by 2020 and the law states he MUST release his tax filing, do you think he will in order to be re-elected? Or do you think he'll saunter off into obscurity to evade the issue?

So, when Mueller's report IS released, are you prepared, if proven, to back track your statements? It seems you're fond of saying Clinton broke the law but I don't get why you'd think it's right if Trump did.
Real Music
 
  3  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 06:55 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
a) no evidence that he has committed any crimes
Time will tell.
When it's all said and done, we will find out if he has committed any crimes.

Quote:
b) can't indict a sitting president
It is my understanding that this is a long running Justice Department policy.
It is also my understanding that the Justice Department has the authority to abolish that policy due to the fact that this is only a policy.
I may be wrong. This is just my understanding.
If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me.
hightor
 
  6  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 07:25 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
How about a body language expert determining that?


Hey, relax. You posted a very similar picture a few months ago with a similarly stupid insinuation about the "masculinity" of world leaders as determined by their seated posture, expressions, and hand placement — only it was Trump and Trudeau.

I was ribbing you.
ehBeth
 
  2  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 07:27 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
illegal to misused a foundation funds for you own benefits for that matter.


the SDNY handling of this is impt - no options of immunity since it's not federal
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 07:31 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Trudeau.

Trudeau is a fop.
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 07:32 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
the SDNY handling of this is impt - no options of immunity since it's not federal

Good, then none of Killary's people can get it.
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BillW
 
  3  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 07:36 pm
@neptuneblue,
TheRump has multiple questionable actions such as tax evasion, emoluments, bribes, foreign corrupt practices, money laundering, bank/insurance fraud, etc. The House Ways and Means Committee and only that committee in the House can and will subpoena his tax returns. Both without his permission and even knowledge if so desired.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 07:49 pm
@BillW,
Feel free to cite evidence of such crimes.

The committee will have to get the courts to agree to let them have Trump's records.

And if the courts do let them see his records, they'll be prosecuted if they violate his privacy and leak them.
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BillW
 
  3  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 07:49 pm
All in all, the Republicans did a perfect job of proving exactly how guilty, low life and absolutely despicable TheRump is and will continue to be. Without ever saying his name - WOW!
oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 07:52 pm
@BillW,
Hardly guilty. There is no evidence that he has committed any crimes.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 07:53 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
LOL read it more carefully as US citizens do not need to offer bribes on US soil
It specifies interstate commerce.

BillRM wrote:
and sending agents such as Trump former lawyer is enough.
Not if no interstate commerce is involved.

BillRM wrote:
I know that Trump is a snake but even so he can not crawl under the US anti-bribe laws.
He could simply not violate them in the first place.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 07:54 pm
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:
I am not sure who you are referring to,
To anyone who wants to claim that there is evidence of Trump wrongdoing.

Real Music wrote:
I hope you are practicing what you preach.
I will always provide cites upon request to back up my facts.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 07:57 pm
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:
It is my understanding that this is a long running Justice Department policy.
It is also my understanding that the Justice Department has the authority to abolish that policy due to the fact that this is only a policy.
I may be wrong. This is just my understanding.
If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me.
That's probably correct. You might want to note though that Trump is in charge of the justice department. Therefore it is up to him whether or not to abolish the policy.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 08:03 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
I am curious, what evidence would you actually believe in order to change your stance?
I'll assess it as it comes.

neptuneblue wrote:
I am curious, what evidence would you actually believe in order to change your stance? If the special investigation does, in fact, PROVE without a doubt, Trump's involvement with Russian to Collude and Conspire to rig the 2016 election, take money to relax sanctions against Russia, Tax Evasion and Fraud, will you change your stance?
Rigging the election would require changing the vote tallies. I doubt that such a thing happened.

But yes, if there is evidence that Trump actually broke the law, I will be quite happy to admit this.

I would love to see a Republican president break the law and rub the left's nose in it while they squeal in helpless rage.

neptuneblue wrote:
And the DOJ does not have an official policy that states a sitting president cannot be indicted. An internal memo merely states that a president cannot fulfill presidential duties while under indictment. That's a far cry from stating emphatically that it cannot happen.
Actually that's exactly what it means.

neptuneblue wrote:
It's never been challenged, so it will have to go to Court to decide.
No one has any standing to challenge it.

neptuneblue wrote:
It is my understanding that running for public office, one volunteers their tax filings to PROVE how income is obtained to ensure the non-exitance of compromising events such as bribery or illegal activity. Although Trump is not "obligated" to do so, it will have repercussions to the extent that will probably change by law in the near future. So, if by 2020 and the law states he MUST release his tax filing, do you think he will in order to be re-elected? Or do you think he'll saunter off into obscurity to evade the issue?
I think he would challenge it in court.

I think if the courts allow leftist states to do that, Republicans will retaliate by creating requirements in swing states that Democrats will be uncomfortable complying with.

He will certainly run for reelection however.

neptuneblue wrote:
So, when Mueller's report IS released, are you prepared, if proven, to back track your statements?
If there is evidence that Trump did something wrong, I'll be happy to acknowledge that. I'm unsure if that counts as backtracking.

neptuneblue wrote:
It seems you're fond of saying Clinton broke the law but I don't get why you'd think it's right if Trump did.
If it's OK for Democratic presidents to break the law, then it's also OK for Republican presidents to break the law.
Real Music
 
  3  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 08:10 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
That's probably correct. You might want to note though that Trump is in charge of the justice department. Therefore it is up to him whether or not to abolish the policy.


Or the Justice Department could act independently and indict the sitting President.

The next question would be: what would happen if Trump fired someone for bringing an indictment against him?
McGentrix
 
  -4  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 08:16 pm
Can anyone tell me why you believe Cohen today? Is it only because he was trashing Trump?

I don't get why a dude going to jail for lying has any kind of cedibility with you. TDS runs hard in the halls of A2K.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 08:16 pm
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:
Or the Justice Department could act independently and indict the sitting President.
That would violate Justice Department policy.

Real Music wrote:
The next question would be: what would happen if Trump fired someone for bringing an indictment against him?
Then they have to find a new job.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 08:17 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
the SDNY handling of this is impt - no options of immunity since it's not federal
Not federal? Did they secede from the union?
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 27 Feb, 2019 08:18 pm
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