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@ossobucotemp,

Trump on Trump. Please explain where Trump stands on issues.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-contradictions-213869
I know many people support Trump, and I just want to understand which of Trump's position on the issues they agree with.

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@ossobucotemp,

I see I was a distraction with my silliness. I worry re trump & cohorts against many. He seems keen on the matter of ethnicities.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

...The guy is probably aware enough not to say "nigger" but we do know that he made an issue of a judge being unqualified because he's a "Mexican". There's also his refusal to renounce the support of white supremacists and his preoccupation with the stupid 'birther" issue. There's also this:

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Trump disparaged his black casino employees as “lazy” in vividly bigoted terms, according to a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, a former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino.

“And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it,” O’Donnell recalled Trump saying. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

“I think the guy is lazy,” Trump said of a black employee, according to O’Donnell. “And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”
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1. He didn't say the judge was unqualified because he was a Mexican, except in the sense that a lie told often enough becomes the truth. He said that the judge had made a lot of odd decisions against him and he wondered if, being of Mexican descent, the judge held a grudge against him because or his position on illegal immigration.
2. Not only did he renounce the support of white supremacists, he did it repeatedly.
3. The birther issue was stupid, but I fail to see how it was racist.

I will research the casino thing, which I'm not sure I've ever heard before.

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@Brandon9000,

The birther issue was racist just because you can't see it as a white guy.
Do you believe Trump would question the legitimacy of a white president for five years?

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

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‘No Vacancies’ for Blacks: How Donald Trump Got His Start, and Was First Accused of Bias
NYT

Trump was 17. His father was in charge of all of this. At most, Trump could have been in the office shadowing him.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83
The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people

When Trump was serving as the president of his family’s real estate company, the Trump Management Corporation, in 1973the Justice Department sued the company for alleged racial discrimination against black people looking to rent apartments in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island.

The lawsuit charged that the company quoted different rental terms and conditions to black rental candidates than it did with white candidates, and that the company lied to black applicants about apartments not being available. Trump called those accusations “absolutely ridiculous” and sued the Justice Department for $100 million in damages for defamation.

Without admitting wrongdoing, the Trump Management Corporation settled the original lawsuit two years later and promised not to discriminate against black people, Puerto Ricans or other minorities. Trump also agreed to send weekly vacancy lists for his 15,000 apartments to the New York Urban League, a civil rights group, and to allow the NYUL to present qualified applicants for vacancies in certain Trump properties.

Just three years after that, the Justice Department sued the Trump Management Corporation again for allegedly discriminating against black applicants by telling them apartments weren’t available.

In fact, discrimination against black people has been a pattern in his career

Workers at Trump’s casinos in Atlantic City, New Jersey, have accused him of racism over the years. The New Jersey Casino Control Commission fined the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino $200,000 in 1992 because managers would remove African-American card dealers at the request of a certain big-spending gambler. A state appeals court upheld the fine.

The first-person account of at least one black Trump casino employee in Atlantic City suggests the racist practices were consistent with Trump’s personal behavior toward black workers.

“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, told the New Yorker for a September article. “It was the eighties, I was a teen-ager, but I remember it: they put us all in the back.”

Trump disparaged his black casino employees as “lazy” in vividly bigoted terms, according to a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, a former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino.

“And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it,” O’Donnell recalled Trump saying. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

“I think the guy is lazy,” Trump said of a black employee, according to O’Donnell. “And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

Trump has also faced charges of reneging on commitments to hire black people. In 1996, 20 African Americans in Indiana sued Trump for failing to honor a promise to hire mostly minority workers for a riverboat casino on Lake Michigan.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

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So, then, you can't quote one racist thing he said.

Why is a quote necessary?

The guy is probably aware enough not to say "nigger" but we do know that he made an issue of a judge being unqualified because he's a "Mexican". There's also his refusal to renounce the support of white supremacists and his preoccupation with the stupid 'birther" issue. There's also this:

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Trump disparaged his black casino employees as “lazy” in vividly bigoted terms, according to a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, a former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino.

“And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it,” O’Donnell recalled Trump saying. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

“I think the guy is lazy,” Trump said of a black employee, according to O’Donnell. “And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”
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MR. RUSSERT: He says that and he quotes you as saying: "I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else... Besides that, I've got to tell you something else, I think the guy is lazy"referring to a black gentleman.

"It's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It's not anything they can control... If anybody ever heard me say that, I'd be in a lot of trouble. But I have to tell you, that's the way I feel."

MR. TRUMP: I never said it. I don't even know...

MR. RUSSERT: Donald Trump...

MR. TRUMP: I hardly know this guy. He was running one of my casinos for a short period of time. He was fired. We fired him because he wasn't doing a very good job. He wrote this nasty book. He made up stuff. This is like Jon Lovitz on "Saturday Night Live," the liar. "I went to Harvard. Yeah, I went to Harvard." This guy, I hardly know him. He made up this quote. I've heard the quote before, and it's nonsense.

MR. RUSSERT: You've never said anything like that?

MR. TRUMP: I've never said anything like it, ever.

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@Brandon9000,

Brandon9000 wrote:

he wondered if, being of Mexican descent, the judge held a grudge against him because or his position on illegal immigration.

So you're saying that Trump wondered if the judge held a certain position merely because of... his race?

Yup, that's racism.

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Every time I check in, this thread has moved on about 30 pages......by the time I read one post it's OBE. WHEW!!!!!!!

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:
he wondered if, being of Mexican descent, the judge held a grudge against him because or his position on illegal immigration.

So you're saying that Trump wondered if the judge held a certain position merely because of... his race?

Yup, that's racism.

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he wondered if, being of Canadian descent, the judge held a grudge against him because or his position on illegal immigration.

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he wondered if, being of Israeli descent, the judge held a grudge against him because or his position on illegal immigration.

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he wondered if, being of Irish descent, the judge held a grudge against him because or his position on illegal immigration.

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he wondered if, being of Russian descent, the judge held a grudge against him because or his position on illegal immigration.

Mexican is not a race, it's a county of origin.

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@old europe,

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he wondered if, being a (wetback), (anchor baby), (chalupa), (fence-hopper), (spic), (taco jockey), the judge held a grudge against him because or his position on illegal immigration.

That is what a racist would have said. Referring to someone by their country of origin does not make one a racist.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

That is what a racist would have said. Referring to someone by their country of origin does not make one a racist.

You seriously believe that only using racial slurs - but not otherwise discriminating based on race, ethnicity or country of origin - qualifies as racism, right?

That's a belief you seriously hold, right?

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
That is what a racist would have said. Referring to someone by their country of origin does not make one a racist.

You seriously believe that only using racial slurs - but not otherwise discriminating based on race, ethnicity or country of origin - qualifies as racism, right?

That's a belief you seriously hold, right?

No, that would be silly. I am talking about this specific sentence.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

No, that would be silly. I am talking about this specific sentence.

Good.

Then let's start out by acknowledging that the judge's country of origin is America. He was born in Indiana, he's an American citizen.

He's not Mexican. Calling him "of Mexican heritage" is not a reference to his nationality, it's a reference to his ethnicity.

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@old europe,

The US government called us Japanese Americans enemy aliens during WWII even though we were born in this country. I have never trusted this government ever since. Look what's happening to Muslims Americans now. Our president is the biggest bigot around. He even called Mexicans criminals and rapists.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

The birther issue was racist just because you can't see it as a white guy.

That Liberals make false accusations of racism like this only shows how goofy and out of touch they are.

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@oralloy,

I don't know how, and don't care to take the time to try to learn, otherwise I would re-post the "one-trick donkey" JPG (or whatever it is), at this point.

Sez it all, ya know?

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

So you're saying that Trump wondered if the judge held a certain position merely because of... his race?
Yup, that's racism.

It is possible for a person of a given race to be biased regarding issues of their race.

I don't see how "suggesting that someone is thusly-biased" would count as racism.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

It is possible for a person of a given race to be biased regarding issues of their race.

I don't see how "suggesting that someone is thusly-biased" would count as racism.

Good point. If that's the way it worked, then every cheese-eater who ever accused someone else of being a racist would, ipso facto, be a racist.

That would include all cheese-eaters. They are racist, but not for that reason.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

It is possible for a person of a given race to be biased regarding issues of their race.

I don't see how "suggesting that someone is thusly-biased" would count as racism.

That might be the reason, why a statement from President Trump marking International Holocaust Remembrance Day omitted any mention of Jews ...

layman wrote:

That would include all cheese-eaters. They are racist, but not for that reason.

... those kosher cheese eaters ...

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