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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 03:19 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
It will go down defending its oppressive existence.

https://thereligionofpeace.com/layout/img/got-quran.jpg
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hightor
 
  5  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 03:21 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
The Israeli Declaration of Independence stated that the State of Israel would ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex, and guaranteed freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture. While formally equal according to Israeli law, a number of official sources acknowledge that Arab citizens of Israel experience discrimination in many aspects of life. Israeli High Court Justice (Ret.) Theodor Or wrote in The Report by the State Commission of Inquiry into the Events of October 2000:[225]

The Arab citizens of Israel live in a reality in which they experience discrimination as Arabs. This inequality has been documented in a large number of professional surveys and studies, has been confirmed in court judgments and government resolutions, and has also found expression in reports by the state comptroller and in other official documents. Although the Jewish majority's awareness of this discrimination is often quite low, it plays a central role in the sensibilities and attitudes of Arab citizens. This discrimination is widely accepted, both within the Arab sector and outside it, and by official assessments, as a chief cause of agitation.

The Or Commission report also states that activities by Islamic organizations may be using religious pretenses to further political aims. The commission describes such actions as a factor in 'inflaming' the Muslim population in Israel against the authorities, and cites the al-Sarafand mosque episode, with Muslims' attempts to restore the mosque and Jewish attempts to stop them, as an example of the 'shifting of dynamics' of the relationship between Muslims and the Israeli authorities.

According to the 2004 U.S. State Department Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for Israel and the Occupied Territories, the Israeli government had done "little to reduce institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against the country's Arab citizens".[226]

The 2004 U.S. State Department Country Reports on Human Rights Practices[226] notes that:

"Israeli-Arab advocacy organizations have challenged the Government's policy of demolishing illegal buildings in the Arab sector, and claimed that the Government was more restrictive in issuing building permits in Arab communities than in Jewish communities, thereby not accommodating natural growth."
"In June, the Supreme Court ruled that omitting Arab towns from specific government social and economic plans is discriminatory. This judgment builds on previous assessments of disadvantages suffered by Arab Israelis."
"Israeli-Arab organizations have challenged as discriminatory the 1996 "Master Plan for the Northern Areas of Israel," which listed as priority goals increasing the Galilee's Jewish population and blocking the territorial contiguity of Arab towns."
"Israeli Arabs were not required to perform mandatory military service and, in practice, only a small percentage of Israeli Arabs served in the military. Those who did not serve in the army had less access than other citizens to social and economic benefits for which military service was a prerequisite or an advantage, such as housing, new-household subsidies, and employment, especially government or security-related industrial employment. The Ivri Committee on National Service has issued official recommendations to the Government that Israel Arabs not be compelled to perform national or "civic" service, but be afforded an opportunity to perform such service"."
"According to a 2003 University of Haifa study, a tendency existed to impose heavier prison terms to Arab citizens than to Jewish citizens. Human rights advocates claimed that Arab citizens were more likely to be convicted of murder and to have been denied bail."
"The Orr Commission of Inquiry's report […] stated that the 'Government handling of the Arab sector has been primarily neglectful and discriminatory,' that the Government 'did not show sufficient sensitivity to the needs of the Arab population, and did not take enough action to allocate state resources in an equal manner.' As a result, 'serious distress prevailed in the Arab sector in various areas. Evidence of distress included poverty, unemployment, a shortage of land, serious problems in the education system, and substantially defective infrastructure.'"

The 2007 U.S. State Department Country Reports on Human Rights Practices[227] notes that:

"According to a 2005 study at Hebrew University, three times more money was invested in education of Jewish children as in Arab children."

Human Rights Watch has charged that cuts in veteran benefits and child allowances based on parents' military service discriminate against Arab children: "The cuts will also affect the children of Jewish ultra-orthodox parents who do not serve in the military, but they are eligible for extra subsidies, including educational supplements, not available to Palestinian Arab children."[228]

According to the Guardian, in 2006 just 5% of civil servants were Arabs, many of them hired to deal with other Arabs, despite the fact that Arab citizens of Israel comprise 20% of the population.[229]

Although the Bedouin infant mortality rate is still the highest in Israel, and one of the highest in the developed world, The Guardian reports that in the 2002 budget, Israel's health ministry allocated Arab communities less than 1% of its budget for healthcare facility development.[229]

In March 2010, a report released by several Israeli civil rights groups stated that the current Knesset was "the most racist in Israeli history" with 21 bills proposed in 2008 and 2009 that would discriminate against the country's Arab minority.[230]

A preliminary report commissioned by Israel's Courts Administration and the Israel Bar Association found in 2011 that Israeli Arabs are more likely than Israeli Jews to be convicted of crimes after being charged, more likely to be given custodial sentences, and were given longer sentences. It did not account for "mitigating or aggravating circumstances, prior criminal record and the convict's gender".[

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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 03:23 pm
Quote:
Poll: Trump approval SOARS to 23-month high with likely voters after SOTU speech

Quote:
President Donald Trump is at a nearly two-year high of 52 percent approval, according to a poll released Monday by Rasmussen Reports. This latest poll of likely voters shows 47 percent disapprove of Trump’s job performance. His approval rating is the highest Trump has had since March 6, 2017, a little more than a month after he was inaugurated.




oralloy
 
  -4  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 03:24 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
It will go down defending its oppressive existence.
Who has the power to bring them down?

If they did go down, they'd take a billion or so Muslims with them.

InfraBlue wrote:
The way Israel defines itself, its very existence is oppressive.
When do you start your boycott of all the Islamic states that don't allow other religions?
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 03:34 pm
@coldjoint,
RSmussen has a wellknown republican bias. Theyre always an outlier and dont track well with outcomes
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 03:48 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
The Arab citizens of Israel live in a reality in which they experience discrimination as Arabs.

Could you switch that up and put your favorite minority in and America in Israel's place. It is whining. They live better in Israel than they could in any surrounding country.

And Wikipedia has been in the bag for Islam for quite a while.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 03:52 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
RSmussen has a wellknown republican bias.
So do the voters.

MontereyJack wrote:
Theyre always an outlier and dont track well with outcomes
I think they track well with outcomes.
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InfraBlue
 
  4  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 03:55 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
That is incorrect. UNSC resolutions as well as other accords call for a return and equal rights.
Nonsense. Cite a UN Security Council resolution that calls for Israel to allow Palestinians to return to Israeli territory.

UNSC Res. 237

oralloy wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
One thing is accepting Israel, quite another is accepting an ethnocentrically exclusive, necessarily oppressive state.
When you define Israel as oppressive and refuse to accept it, you make the two-state solution impossible.

The preclusion of the Palestinians' Right of Return in any two state solution is oppressive.

oralloy wrote:
Since the world will not require Israel to give up any land outside the context of a two-state solution, Israel gets to keep the land for themselves.

Israel will never know peace. It's intransigence in regard to its oppression of the Palestinian peoples only serves to impel other extremist regimes to seek the Zionist regime's end for their own purposes. The Zionist regime's days are numbered.
InfraBlue
 
  4  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 03:57 pm
@oralloy,
Nope.
InfraBlue
 
  4  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 04:00 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
Say NO to oppression.

Got a bumper sticker. You refuse to admit it is just Islamic terror obligated by a religion. Your replies are vapid and unnecessary because all you do is repeat yourself.

Come back with some facts or go away.

You're delusional with your islamophobia. Get help.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 04:03 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
RSmussen has a wellknown republican bias. Theyre always an outlier and dont track well with outcomes

I don't care.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 04:05 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
You're delusional with your islamophobia.

I asked for facts not a word designed to stop the conversation.
InfraBlue
 
  3  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 04:10 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
It will go down defending its oppressive existence.
Who has the power to bring them down?

Their enemies.

oralloy wrote:
If they did go down, they'd take a billion or so Muslims with them.

And it all will have been done in the name of maintaining its oppression of the Palestinian people for ethnocentric purposes. Talk about fanatical extremism. ISIS and al Qaeda would have absolutely nothing on the Zionists.

oralloy wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
The way Israel defines itself, its very existence is oppressive.
When do you start your boycott of all the Islamic states that don't allow other religions?

Which ones?
InfraBlue
 
  4  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 04:12 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
You're delusional with your islamophobia.

I asked for facts not a word designed to stop the conversation.

I've been posting facts. You haven't been reading.
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hightor
 
  5  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 04:31 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Could you switch that up and put your favorite minority in and America in Israel's place.

I really don't know what you're talking about.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 04:42 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
I really don't know what you're talking about.

I do not see why you cannot. Look at what I quoted, and how familiar it sounds. Do you believe it because you are so used to hearing it?
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 05:07 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
UNSC Res. 237
That refers to Palestinians displaced during the six day war. Were any Palestinians displaced from Israeli territory during the six day war?

Palestinians displaced from the West Bank would have been able to return home as part of a two-state solution, had there been one.

InfraBlue wrote:
The preclusion of the Palestinians' Right of Return in any two state solution is oppressive.
Since Israel is only required to give up land as part of a two-state solution, your rejection of a two-state solution allows them to keep the land for themselves.

InfraBlue wrote:
Israel will never know peace.
Walling off the Palestinians is pretty effective at preventing them from harming people.

InfraBlue wrote:
It's intransigence in regard to its oppression of the Palestinian peoples only serves to impel other extremist regimes to seek the Zionist regime's end for their own purposes. The Zionist regime's days are numbered.
That is silly. Israel is well able to defend themselves from anyone who might wish to destroy them.

And if someone did somehow manage to destroy Israel, Israel's last act would be to shower all of their enemies' population centers with tritium-boosted atomic warheads.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 05:09 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Nope.
Wrong. Israel is only required to give up land as part of a two-state solution.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 05:10 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Their enemies.
Israel's enemies do not have the power to destroy Israel.

And if someone did somehow manage to destroy Israel, Israel's last act would be to shower all of their enemies' population centers with tritium-boosted atomic warheads.

InfraBlue wrote:
And it all will have been done in the name of maintaining its oppression of the Palestinian people for ethnocentric purposes.
No. It would be done in self defense.

The idea that Israel's very existence is oppression is silly.

InfraBlue wrote:
Talk about fanatical extremism. ISIS and al Qaeda would have absolutely nothing on the Zionists.
Self defense is hardly extreme.

InfraBlue wrote:
Which ones?
Let's start with Saudi Arabia. Last I knew there were no Xtian churches allowed in the country.

Let's have some Catholic churches in Mecca. Let's have some Protestant churches in Mecca too. For that matter, let's also have some Buddhist and Hindu temples in Mecca.

If Muslims want Jews to share Jerusalem, then it's only fair that they share Mecca.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Mon 11 Feb, 2019 05:29 pm
Quote:
PA minister ignores brutal murder of young Israeli woman,
but criticizes Israel for searching in mosque
for murderer

Go figure. Sounds like they hate the Jews.
http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=27260
Interesting site.
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