@hightor,
Quote:Baldimo, lots of anti-ACA people talk as if everything was just perfect before but the reality is that many people could not afford health insurance, many of the affordable policies were ****, and
Do you consider shitty policies anything that didn't contain the ACA minimum 10 coverage's?
Quote:health savings account beyond the reach of most low income people.
Unless you have money to put into a HSA, it is outside the reach of most people that are low income or even mid-income. I have had access to an HSA or similar plans, with almost every employer insurance I have ever had, but I've never used it, I didn't have the "extra" money and didn't have a reason for it. There is nothing special about HSA, it's your own money, I've never seen a matching HSA and I don't think they exist.
Quote:Single-payer would have been a huge disruption in the health insurance market. But the USA is the only advanced society that relies on private insurance companies. Other than avoiding the tumult of switching to a "medicare-for-all" system , why is our system (either the ACA or what we had previously) so superior?
I didn't say it was better, but it worked for the majority of us those in the US who already had insurance. I don't care what other countries are doing, they don't have to deal with a population as large as the US. The rest of the "advanced" countries in the world have a fraction of our population. Germany who is the closest has 80 million, we have 350 million. The countries that are touted the most as good examples have the population of some of our largest cities. So what works for their small population won't work for our large population.
Quote:Why is this the only way of providing affordable coverage to the largest amount of people?
We have a mixed system of coverage, public and private. It works for the vast majority, why do we change the entire system for a minority of people? Instead we should be working with the system we have and working on solutions, not flipping it on it's head. I'm not saying the whole ACA was bad, there were good portions that could have and should have been passed on their own, not as part of a mass mandate.
Quote:Why is the inevitable occurrence of sickness and death something that corporations should make a profit on?
Corporations? Why don't you ask doctors and nurses to make less? After all, why should they profit from providing care and services to patients. My sister has been a nurse for over 20 years, she makes close to $40hr, depending on the shift she works, should she make less money or no money for the services she provides? If you ask me, she should be paid more, she is in a skilled job with many years of experience, where the demand is high for good people.
Quote:A lot of the guys I work with are happy to pay it because it costs less than insurance.
Those guys you work with are one of the reasons why the ACA was doomed to fail from the start. They are the healthy people who were suppose to buy the plans that funded the whole deal. You wonder why the numbers show so many people who are still not insured? Look at your work buddies...
Quote:The only people I've met who are hurt by the ACA are people who are too wealthy to qualify for a subsidy but not really wealthy enough to spend $18,000 a year on a policy.
I see you dismiss the entire segment of the market who gets their plans from their employer. We also saw price increases and larger than those people you mention above. I didn't qualify for a subside on the CO exchange and my employers contribution couldn't be transferred to the exchange. The plans on the exchange were no match for the plans I was offered through my job. The plans only slightly changed, but the costs in the first year doubled from the previous year and have only increased since then.
Quote:But one healthy friend who grumbled about having to buy insurance was discovered to have a rare form of eye cancer and had to go to a specialist in a city 300 miles away for a series of operations. Needless to say he was very relieved to have had the coverage. (His prognosis is good, too.)
Happy to hear your friend is ok. Does he have coverage via the exchange or his employer?
Quote:I honestly don't understand the current antipathy to "gummint", as if it were some single overarching entity bent on eventual enslavement of the population.
You think people being upset by the govt is something new? There is nothing new under the sun.
Quote:The fact is, ensuring the welfare and security of over 300 million people requires many networks of oversight and regulation. Fees and taxes are a small price to pay for roads, bridges, tunnels, weather satellites, schools, armies, space travel, clean water, safe food, law enforcement, salaries of civil servants — on and on. I think the way taxes are collected could be improved but I don't see us ever getting rid of them, oppressive or not.
The question remains. How much of all of that is actually the responsibility of the govt. We differ on those responsibilities, but I don't think the majority of people want no taxes, they want lower taxes. There are over 170 social services offered across all levels of govt here in the US, lets play the Goldie Locks game... To little, to many or just right?
Quote:One question — what church do you belong to? Do you feel as if that church"owns" you?
I don't believe in Jesus Christ so I don't belong to a church. In fact I don't belong to any religion or any house of worship. To be honest, I'm not even sure about God, but I don't think our existence is a trick of chance either.
Quote: If you belong to the Republican Party, does it "own" you? I didn't think so.
As of 2012, I've been a registered Libertarian but I don't even buy into the full thoughts of that group either.
Quote:It's possible to "belong" to an organization without being the property of that organization.
Agreed on principle, but it isn't so simple. I think the military goes against this concept as well as playing for a sports team or working for a political party or group, but more generalized I think you are correct.