@glitterbag,
No. But my intellect did regularly outstrip that of my teachers.
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:Robert E. Lee and all the other traitors.
Leftist anti-southerner bigotry is truly shameful.
@oralloy,
The southern articles of secession made it very clear that the Confederacy's main reason for existence was to protect slavery. From its very inception it was racist. The position of the US was that the Union was indissoluble. Once they joined, it was illegal to secede. SCOTUS backed that up. That made them traitors, no matter what they claimed. They were fighting against and killing American soldiers. That pretty much made it clear they would never be American war veterans.
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:The southern articles of secession made it very clear that the Confederacy's main reason for existence was to protect slavery. From its very inception it was racist. The position of the US was that the Union was indissoluble. Once they joined, it was illegal to secede. SCOTUS backed that up.
That's no justification for the shameful anti-southerner bigotry that leftists spew.
MontereyJack wrote:That made them traitors, no matter what they claimed.
Only the left could claim that fighting and dying for your country is treason.
MontereyJack wrote:They were fighting against and killing American soldiers.
So were Union soldiers.
MontereyJack wrote:That pretty much made it clear they would never be American war veterans.
They are American war veterans. And the left's savaging of American war veterans is just shameful.
@oralloy,
Quote: Only a leftist could construe "fighting and dying for your country" as treason.
This is just more evidence that the Brits still call the shots.
The Balfour declaration, post WW1 confirms it.
Robert Lee, as well as Joseph Johnston, Albert Johnston, Braxton Bragg, Pierre Beauregard, Jefferson Davis, Samuel Cooper, James Longstreet, Thomas Jackson, John Hood, Leonidas Polk, William Hardee, John Pemberton (a native of Pennsylvania), Richard Ewell, Alvin Hill, Daniel Hill, Simon Buckner, Stephen Lee, and Wade Hampton--to name but the Generals and Lieutenant Generals, all took an oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the United States. They not only betrayed that oath, they carried arms against the United States. By any reasonable definition, that makes them traitors. At the ranks of Major Generals down to Captains, there were literally thousands of officers who had taken that same oath, who had betrayed that oath, and who had carried arms against the United States. They were all traitors. Leaving aside the moral issue of carrying arms against the United States in order to preserve the institution of slavery, their actions could be considered to have been inexcusable. That the United States paroled these vile traitors and never prosecuted them is evidence of the forbearance and decency of the authorities of the United States, and not the merits of these traitors.
More than one hundred thousand men in the Confederacy not only refused to serve that illegal and unconstitutional abomination, but volunteered for and served in the United States Army--more than forty thousand from Tennessee alone. Men of great military skill and integrity, such as George Thomas of Virginia, honored their oath and served the United States. Anyone who attempts to equate these scurrilous traitors with the millions of Americans who took such an oath and served to preserve the Union, and hundreds of thousands of whom gave what Lincoln called "the last full measure of devotion," which is to say, their lives, is seriously deluded at best, and morally and politically depraved at worst. Anyone who defends these traitors, with the blood of hundreds of thousands of Americans on their hands, needlessly, is an object beneath contempt.
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:Robert Lee, as well as Joseph Johnston, Albert Johnston, Braxton Bragg, Pierre Beauregard, Jefferson Davis, Samuel Cooper, James Longstreet, Thomas Jackson, John Hood, Leonidas Polk, William Hardee, John Pemberton (a native of Pennsylvania), Richard Ewell, Alvin Hill, Daniel Hill, Simon Buckner, Stephen Lee, and Wade Hampton--to name but the Generals and Lieutenant Generals, all took an oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the United States. They not only betrayed that oath, they carried arms against the United States. By any reasonable definition, that makes them traitors.
Only in the same sense that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were traitors. The country was divided, and they picked the side that they thought was right.
And what about all the people who were
not existing members of the US military? What about 18 year old boys who served as lowly privates in the Confederate Army?
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:Anyone who attempts to equate these scurrilous traitors with the millions of Americans who took such an oath and served to preserve the Union, and hundreds of thousands of whom gave what Lincoln called "the last full measure of devotion," which is to say, their lives, is seriously deluded at best, and morally and politically depraved at worst. Anyone who defends these traitors, with the blood of hundreds of thousands of Americans on their hands, needlessly, is an object beneath contempt.
I'll never be ashamed of defending American war veterans.
@Builder,
Just a game in which defenses dominated, two very strong teams.
Actually understanding the US civil war makes a person a member of a very exclusive club. The US civil war was basically a continuation of the US war for independence by other means. The problem is that we defeated the British military but we never defeated their financial and banking system. We were resubjugated in 1913.
@gungasnake,
Quote:We were resubjugated in 1913.
To the Jews. The Balfour declaration also tied your military (and ours) to the task of making the wealth of the middle east, the property of the Jews.
Henry Carey, Lincoln's chief advisor in economic matters noted that:
Quote:
Two systems are before the world.........
.........One looks to pauperism, ignorance, depopulation, and barbarism; the other in increasing wealth, comfort, intelligence, combination of action, and civilization. One looks towards universal war; the other towards universal peace. One is the English system; the other we may be proud to call the American system, for it is the only one ever devised the tendency of which was that of elevating while equalizing the condition of man throughout the world.
The British system of economics, finance, banking, and mercantilistic trade was a system of total exploitation in which EVERYBODY in the picture was being exploited, from the man on the top to the man on the bottom. Escaping that is what the civil war was chiefly about. In that sense, the southerners really were traitors.
@Builder,
Builder wrote:To the Jews. The Balfour declaration also tied your military (and ours) to the task of making the wealth of the middle east, the property of the Jews.
Come on now. Nazis are bad. Don't be a Nazi.
Otto Von Bismarck stated that the Rothschildes were behind both the US civil war and the assasination of Lincoln. He noted that:
Quote:“The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots and the bankers went anew to grab the riches. I fear that foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and use it to systematically corrupt civilisation.”
