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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
blatham
 
  1  
Thu 10 Jan, 2019 09:52 am
A necessary read here
How the fossil fuel industry got the media to think climate change was debatable
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 10 Jan, 2019 10:31 am
@blatham,
Donald Trump: "If there is a concrete wall in front of you, go through it."

blatham
 
  1  
Thu 10 Jan, 2019 10:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I saw that. It's perfect.
blatham
 
  1  
Thu 10 Jan, 2019 11:00 am
Upon reflection, it occurs to me that a prior post on the last page might be construed as sexist. So, to be fair, let's imagine another possible outcome in the romantic life of female bower birds:

"One thou... What!? That's it?! You're finished already!?"
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coldjoint
 
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Thu 10 Jan, 2019 11:51 am
https://c4.legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Pro-Waller-600-LI.jpg
https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/01/branco-cartoon-that-was-then-3/
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Thu 10 Jan, 2019 12:05 pm
Quote:
Steel Border Fence Stopped 91% of Illegal Immigration, Slashed Crime

Quite a dent. Democrats are against this. Numbers are in the link and very hard to argue with. Common sense. Give it a try.
http://www.independentsentinel.com/steel-border-fence-stopped-91-of-illegal-immigration-slashed-crime/
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hightor
 
  3  
Thu 10 Jan, 2019 12:52 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Mulvaney said that Obama, Schumer and Clinton voted for a border wall in 2006.

They did vote for the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which authorized building a fence along about 700 miles of the border between the United States and Mexico.

Still, the fence they voted for is not as substantial as the wall Trump is proposing. Trump himself called the 2006 fence a "nothing wall."

Mulvaney’s statement is partially accurate, but ignores important context. We rate it Half True.

politifact

It was Pelosi, not those three, who called the wall "immoral". But again, context is important here. Trump's rhetoric, likening immigrants to infectious vermin and labeling them as terrorists, criminals, rapists, and drug smugglers, and using this lie to work up his followers in mass rallies was disgusting, and I don't blame Pelosi for her comment, even though I think it was dumb.

The problem is exacerbated by Trump's original call for a wall to be made of precast concrete, and rise 35 to 40 feet, or 50 feet, or higher.

Trump poisoned the discussion (as usual) by going overboard and turning the whole debate into a partisan **** show. Frankly, I don't object to improving the barrier in places and extending it in others, nor do I oppose spending on more personnel and new technology. Most Democrats in Congress would have gone along with border improvements if Trump hadn't escalated the controversy around illegal immigration by characterizing it as an invasion and calling it a threat to national security. There are good arguments for maintaining sections of fencing but they're not being made by Mr. Trump. If there are good arguments for doing away with all the physical barriers on the border I haven't heard them being made by any Democrats. Labeling the wall itself as "immoral" is not a particularly good argument. I fault McConnell for remaining loyal to Trump. Get the government back open, form an independent "Commission on Border Security", have them work up some proposals, and let congress debate and decide.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 10 Jan, 2019 12:55 pm
I suppose that not many know about this and even less will be interest. But for some, it might be important.

And it's ... shutdown related: the World Magnetic Model


The World Magnetic Model - the standard model of the Earth’s magnetic field and a crucial part of modern navigation systems - was last updated in 2015. That update was supposed to last until 2020, but problems with the model started within a year of the last update. As Nature reports, a geomagnetic pulse under South America in 2016 made the magnetic field "lurch":
Quote:
[...}On 15 January, they are set to update the World Magnetic Model, which describes the planet’s magnetic field and underlies all modern navigation, from the systems that steer ships at sea to Google Maps on smartphones. [...]

Quote:
Update, 9 January: The release of the World Magnetic Model has been postponed to 30 January due to the ongoing US government shutdown.

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coldjoint
 
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Thu 10 Jan, 2019 01:13 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
likening immigrants

Illegal immigrants. And he never said all of them. Your conflation of the two is laughable and disingenuous..
hightor
 
  3  
Thu 10 Jan, 2019 01:22 pm
@coldjoint,
Oh, what a sharp-eyed schoolmarm you are! However, the discussion is about illegal immigrants. Border fences are not built to deter legal immigration. And no, he never said all of them — he just prefers the white ones.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 10 Jan, 2019 01:49 pm
The farce continues, Pompeo sounds like he's contradicting his boss.

Quote:
The US will work with allies to "expel every last Iranian boot" from Syria, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says.

Mr Pompeo warned there would be no US reconstruction aid for areas controlled by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad until Iran and its proxies had left.

He also criticised ex-President Barack Obama's Middle East policy, saying he had made "dire misjudgements".

Mr Pompeo was speaking in Cairo three weeks after President Donald Trump said US troops were pulling out of Syria.

The announcement had shocked US allies and sparked strong criticism in Washington.

Mr Pompeo, who has been seeking to reassure allies following Mr Trump's surprise announcement, said: "America will not retreat until the terror fight is over. We will labour tirelessly alongside you to defeat Isis [the Islamic State group], al-Qaeda and other jihadists that threaten our security and yours."

He said that the US was a "force for good" in the Middle East, adding: "Where America retreats, chaos follows."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-46828810

For all his strong words this is a major climbdown, Obama wouldn't have dealt with Assad end of. Now Pompeo's trying to stick his tongue up Assad's arse by offering reconstruction money. Iran, like Russia are both way to important for Assad's survival so it really doesn't matter what America offers.
coldjoint
 
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Thu 10 Jan, 2019 01:52 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Border fences are not built to deter legal immigration.

What are they built for?
Quote:
he just prefers the white ones.

And do not drag race into it. Color does not matter. Illegal is illegal.
coldjoint
 
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Thu 10 Jan, 2019 01:57 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Iran, like Russia are both way to important for Assad's survival so it really doesn't matter what America offers.

I got news for you and your dying country, it ALWAYS matters if it is America, and that is not changing anytime soon.
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hightor
 
  3  
Thu 10 Jan, 2019 02:08 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:

What are they built for?

Duh...fences are built to deter illegal immigration. If everyone registered at border crossings we wouldn't need fencing. It's not that different from having a lock on your door — the lock is to dissuade people from attempting unauthorized entry.
hightor
 
  4  
Thu 10 Jan, 2019 02:12 pm
Why Fighting Fake News With the Facts Might Not Be Enough

Quote:
“Alternative facts”: The term manages to be tedious, ridiculous and perilous at once — a real sign of the times. For anyone who doesn’t remember, Kellyanne Conway introduced it in early 2017 to defend the White House’s falsehoods about attendance numbers at Donald Trump’s inauguration the week before. There she was on “Meet the Press,” serenely chiding an exasperated Chuck Todd for being “overly dramatic” as he repeatedly tried to get her to concede that lying to the American public was bad.

Her phrasing may have been new, but Conway was taking part in what has apparently become a conservative tradition — performing a skepticism so extreme that it makes the ancient Greek skeptics look like babes in the woods. Recall a high-ranking aide in the Bush administration needling a journalist for belonging to “the reality-based community.” A respect for facts, the aide suggested, was ultimately for suckers: “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.”

(...)

The book contains useful summaries of the debates in the 1980s around the ozone layer and acid rain. Drawing from the research of Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway in “Merchants of Doubt” (2010), O’Connor and Weatherall compare industry-sponsored campaigns questioning environmental damage to the strategic skepticism of tobacco companies, which disputed the link between smoking and lung cancer by insisting that the link wasn’t utterly definitive. As one tobacco executive put it, “Doubt is our product since it is the best means of competing with the ‘body of fact’ that exists in the mind of the public.”

The debate — or as the authors might put it, “debate” — around climate change has followed a similar narrative. O’Connor and Weatherall point out that the scientific consensus has long coalesced around human-caused climate change, even if denialists insist that the science is still unsettled.

nyt
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Thu 10 Jan, 2019 02:13 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
.fences are built to deter illegal immigration.

He wants a steel fence. Duh..............
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Thu 10 Jan, 2019 02:23 pm
@coldjoint,
Your blatant homophobia is showing. Notice it says both Muslims and Jews and has nothing to do with sharia. That's purely your own fevered paranoia.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Thu 10 Jan, 2019 02:25 pm
@hightor,
And that joint fellow with his repeated killary.
 

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