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hightor
 
  3  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 04:05 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:

What does that have to do with lying?

Nothing. Anyone with half a brain would recognize a common media practice and know enough to treat it as "political speech" — also referred to as "propaganda". For god's sake, it was posted by someone using the "LibsinAmerica" hashtag — um, doesn't that suggest there might be an ideological motivation at work somewhere?
ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 04:06 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
UPDATE: Both the Southern District of NY and Robert Mueller have released separate sentencing memos on Michael Cohen.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 04:08 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
doesn't that suggest there might be an ideological motivation at work somewhere?

Doesn't everything written today? It does not change what Snopes tried to pull. It has cemented its liberal/progressive bias.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 04:10 pm
@ehBeth,
Why do you post things and answer no questions about them? Do you know anything about what you post or does a bell ring?
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 04:14 pm
Quote:
CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. (AP) -- Man who drove car into counterprotesters at white nationalist rally in Virginia convicted of first-degree murder.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 04:42 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. (AP) -- Man who drove car into counterprotesters at white nationalist rally in Virginia convicted of first-degree murder.

How nice, anything to keep racial divisions alive? You would think white supremacists would have killed others by now.
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hightor
 
  4  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 04:44 pm
@coldjoint,
Snopes didn't "try to pull" anything — Brandon Morse and Red State did. And you fell for it!
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 04:55 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Snopes didn't "try to pull" anything — Brandon Morse and Red State did. And you fell for it!

I do not think we are going to agree on this. Snopes has an agenda.
lmur
 
  4  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 05:11 pm
@ehBeth,
On page 33, the document states, amusingly, that Cohen's 'private life should not be the Court's consideration' but rather that his 'serious crimes should be the Court's lodestar.'

oralloy
 
  -4  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 05:13 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. (AP) -- Man who drove car into counterprotesters at white nationalist rally in Virginia convicted of first-degree murder.
I hope it's a just verdict.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 05:17 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Snopes has an agenda.
I remember one time either Obama or Hillary (can't remember which) proposed a blatant violation of the Second Amendment, and Snopes said there was no violation. Their only evidence was a statement from Obama or Hillary (whichever one of them it was) claiming that they were not violating the Second Amendment.

Snopes definitely lies.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 05:19 pm
@lmur,
Quote:
'serious crimes should be the Court's lodestar.'

Oh Oh CNN might run with that and tie Pence into this. Mueller's final report is what matters. Everything you could form an opinion from is redacted.
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ehBeth
 
  3  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 05:21 pm
@ehBeth,
the Manafort memo is out as well

https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/MANAFORT-SUBMISSION-Mueller-Breach.pdf
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 05:24 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Snopes definitely lies.

Quote:
Snopes isn't clear about their criteria for determining what is true in this case, but it appears to be inconsistent, to say the least. Each of the "deeds" they insist are "false" or "undetermined" are confirmed by the same evidence that supports the one deed said to be true.

Instead of independently verifying the claims against the historical record, Snopes simply defers to the opinions of those who brazenly discount the record itself. This is contrary to how a "fact-checking" organization might be expected to operate.

The truth about Muhammad isn't too hard to find. Either Snopes is remarkably lazy or they are actively misleading readers to serve an agenda. Pushing Islamic propaganda under the guise of objectivity ruins the credibility of what used to be a respected brand.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/snopes-perfect-man.aspx
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 06:44 pm
@coldjoint,
I read Snopes. They do a pretty comprehensive job of demolighing the Islamophobic charges. They aren't in the Koran. They come from hundreds of years later, and have akways been contested, have little or no corroboarations, and in large part are in complete contrast to his character in the Koran. Thehy make the valid points that both slavery and child marriage were common in the ancient world, amongst others in Roman and Jewish cultures, from which of course Christianity derives,. Child marriage was a way of cementing alliances inmany cultures, and Mohammed was known for freeing slaves and giving them positions of influence. The right wing zealot media, like Pizzagate, seems to be driven by one person who makes an inflammatory undocumented accusation with n oro proof, which all the other right wing wackos republish and retweet and spread over and over again (which you will find if you do a googe search on any of them). After a whole bunch of people lrecopy the original baseless charge, somebody like cokldjoint comes along, sees all the blather, and calls it well documented"n or"well known". No. IKt's not. It's still blather. There's kust a lot of it. Snopes is innocent of the charges.
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 06:50 pm
@oralloy,
Gee, with a squishy presentation of absolutely zero facts like that, that's apretyty weak conclusion, isn't it? Especially considering hour extremist opinion of what the 2nd amendment says goes well beyond what SCOTUS says, and they have the final say, not you.
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 06:56 pm
Quote:

Mueller says Manafort told ‘discernible lies,’ including about contacts with employee alleged to have Russian intelligence ties

Gee, maybe it wasn't a witch hunt at all. Whoda thunk it.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 07:04 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
They aren't in the Koran.

The context of the Koran, what little there is, is found in the Hadith. They can only be understood together. Again you are showing you are ignorant of any knowledge of Islam. The rest of your post, a constant apology for something you know nothing about.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 07:36 pm
@coldjoint,
The people who study the Koran and the Muslim teachings disagree with you. I'd say you're the ignorant one.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 7 Dec, 2018 07:51 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
The people who study the Koran and the Muslim teachings disagree with you.

They are lying then. The Koran say Islam is complete and un-changable. There is no denying the hate and other obligations that are reinforced by Muhammad himself. That is what matters.
 

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