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hightor
 
  6  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 04:54 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Typical liberal assumption is that every Republican president is a moron. It’s foolish and pretentious of you.

I'll wager though that you believed W and Reagan were imbeciles.

Your typically conservative assumption is wrong. So who's "foolish and pretentious"? I do think that Trump is unlike any other Republican president — or any other president. And not in a good way. The fake biography, the perpetual lying, the blustering bully act, the disrespectful attitude toward foreign leaders and diplomatic conventions, refusing to release tax records, protectionist trade policies, cozying up to dictators, addressing domestic political foes with demeaning nicknames, etc. These infantile characteristics are independent of his actual policies which are just as bad but more in keeping with traditional Republican objectives.
Quote:
I'll also wager you know it is true.

You lose.
revelette1
 
  5  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 06:21 am
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Hard-line Republicans and conservative commentators are mounting a whispering campaign against Jamal Khashoggi that is designed to protect President Trump from criticism of his handling of the dissident journalist’s alleged murder by operatives of Saudi Arabia — and support Trump’s continued aversion to a forceful response to the oil-rich desert kingdom.

In recent days, a cadre of conservative House Republicans allied with Trump has been privately exchanging articles from right-wing outlets that fuel suspicion of Khashoggi, highlighting his association with the Muslim Brotherhood in his youth and raising conspiratorial questions about his work decades ago as an embedded reporter covering Osama bin Laden, according to four GOP officials involved in the discussions who were not authorized to speak publicly.

Those aspersions — which many lawmakers have been wary of stating publicly because of the political risks of doing so — have begun to flare into public view as conservative media outlets have amplified the claims, which are aimed in part at protecting Trump as he works to preserve the U.S.-Saudi relationship and avoid confronting the Saudis on human rights.

Trump’s remarks about reporters amid the Khashoggi fallout have inflamed existing tensions between his allies and the media. At a Thursday rally in Montana, Trump openly praised Rep. Greg Gianforte (R-Mont.) for assaulting a reporter in his bid for Congress last year.

“Any guy that can do a body slam, he’s my kind of — he’s my guy,” Trump said.

“Khashoggi was tied to the Muslim Brotherhood,” Fox News anchor Harris Faulkner asserted on Thursday’s highly rated “Outnumbered” show. “I just put it out there because it is in the constellation of things that are being talked about.” Faulkner then dismissed another guest who called her claim “iffy.

The message was echoed on the campaign trail. Virginia Republican Corey A. Stewart, who is challenging Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), told a local radio program Thursday that “Khashoggi was not a good guy himself.”

While Khashoggi was once sympathetic to Islamist movements, he moved toward a more liberal, secular point of view, according to experts on the Middle East who have tracked his career. Khashoggi knew bin Laden in the 1980s and 1990s during the civil war in Afghanistan, but his interactions with bin Laden were as a journalist with a point of view who was working with a prized source.

Khashoggi, a Saudi citizen, left his home country last year and was granted residency in the United States by federal authorities. He lived in Virginia and wrote for The Washington Post.

Nevertheless, the smears have escalated. Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son and key political booster,shared another person’s tweet last week with his millions of followers that included a line that Khashoggi was “tooling around Afghanistan with Osama bin Laden” in the 1980s, even though the context was a feature story on bin Laden’s activities.

A Tuesday broadcast of CR-TV, a conservative online outlet founded by populartalk-radio host Mark Levin, labeled Khashoggi a “longtime friend” of terrorists and claimed without evidence that Trump was the victim of an “insane” media conspiracy to tarnish him. The broadcast has been viewed more than 12,000 times.

A story in far-right FrontPage magazine casts Khashoggi as a “cynical and manipulative apologist for Islamic terrorism, not the mythical martyred dissident whose disappearance the media has spent the worst part of a week raving about,” and features a garish cartoon of bin Laden and Khashoggi with their arms around each other.

The conservative push comes as Saudi government supporters on Twitter have sought in a propaganda campaign to denigrate Khashoggi as a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist movement once tolerated but now outlawed in Saudi Arabia as a terrorist organization

“Trump wants to take a soft line, so Trump supporters are finding excuses for him to take it,” said William Kristol, a conservative Trump critic. “One of those excuses is attacking the person who was murdered.”

Several Trump administration aides are aware of the Khashoggi attacks circulating on Capitol Hill and in conservative media, the GOP officials said, adding that aides are being careful to not encourage the disparagement but are also doing little to contest it.

The GOP officials declined to share the names of the lawmakers and others who are circulating information critical of Khashoggi because they said doing so would risk exposing them as sources.

Fred Hiatt, The Post’s editorial page editor who published Khashoggi’s work, sharply criticized the false and distorted claims about Khashoggi, who is feared to have been killed and dismembered by Saudi operatives.

“As anyone knows who knew Jamal — or read his columns — he was dedicated to the values of free speech and open debate. He went into exile to promote those values, and now he may even have lost his life for his dogged determination in their defense,” Hiatt said in a statement. “It may not be surprising that some Saudi-inspired trolls are now trying to distract us from the crime by smearing Jamal. It may not even be surprising to see a few Americans joining in. But in both cases it is reprehensible.

Trump said Thursday it appears Khashoggi is dead and warned that his administration could consider “very severe” measures against Saudi Arabia, which is conducting its own self-investigation. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin also announced that he would not attend the Future Investment Initiative summit in Saudi Arabia next week, delivering the Trump administration’s first formal rebuke of Saudi Arabia’s royal family.

“The president is concerned. He believes the relationship is important, so do I, but he also understands he’s a leader on the world stage and everybody is watching and he is very concerned,” said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), who met with Trump on Thursday.

Trump, whose grip on his party remains strong less than three weeks before the midterm elections, has seen his cautious approach to Saudi Arabia bolstered not only by the maligning of Khashoggi, but also by a conservative media infrastructure that is generally wary of traditional news organizations and establishment Republicans. As criticism of Trump grows, powerful players in that orbit have stood by the president.

“Donald Trump is keeping his eye on the ball, keeping his eye on the geopolitical ball, the national security ball. He’s not going to get sidetracked by what happened to a journalist, maybe, in the consulate there. He’s not giving cover to anybody,” syndicated talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh said Tuesday.

“For those who are screaming blood for the Saudis — look, these people are key allies,” evangelical leader Pat Robertson said this week. “We’ve got an arms deal that everybody wanted a piece of. . . . It’ll be a lot of jobs, a lot of money come to our coffers. It’s not something you want to blow up willy-nilly.”

Some Republicans on Capitol Hill, on the other hand, are discussing the possibility of legislative action against Saudi Arabia or other ways to lessen U.S. support.

Intelligence community officials this week have been providing continuous briefings on the investigation into Khashoggi’s disappearance to the intelligence committees, whose members enjoy special clearance to view and hear sensitive information.

But in both the House and Senate, lawmakers without such clearance, including the leading Republicans on foreign policy matters, have grown frustrated with what many see as a deliberate attempt by the Trump administration to slow-walk responses to congressional requests for information about Khashoggi’s disappearance, or in some cases ignore lawmakers’ questions outright.

Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) have taken the step of invoking the Global Magnitsky Act to force Trump to report to Congress on whether people should face sanctions over Khashoggi’s alleged death, including Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

Yet there has been little confidence among senators that Trump will suddenly feel pressure to penalize high-ranking Saudi officials or take other sweeping punitive measures.

In the House, a perceived lack of cooperation from the White House on Khashoggi has compelled some Republicans to take new interest in a bill to invoke the War Powers Resolution to curtail U.S. military support for the Saudi-led coalition operating in Yemen’s civil war. But the legislation has not secured the support of leading Republicans.

Last year, the House voted 366 to 30 to approve a nonbinding resolution stating that the United States’ support for the Saudi-led coalition had not been congressionally authorized — an effort that did not rattle the administration, which continued to build its relationships with Saudi royalty.

Earlier this year, the Senate failed to enact legislation that would have curtailed U.S. support for the Saudi war effort, after appeals from Saudi officials and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis not to pass the measure.


WP
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Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 06:31 am
WaPo: Pro-Trump group tells blacks to support GOP because ‘white Democrats will be lynching black folk’
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The ad takes the form of a conversation between two black women discussing the sexual misconduct allegations levied against Kavanaugh, claiming that his treatment was a sign that the presumption of innocence had turned into the presumption of guilt in the United States.

“If the Democrats can do that to a white justice of the Supreme Court,” one of the women says, “what will happen to our husbands, our fathers, or our sons, when a white girl lies on them?”

The second woman replies: “White Democrats will be lynching black folk again.”

She adds later:

“We can’t afford to let white Democrats take us back to bad old days of race verdicts, life sentences, and lynchings when a white girl screams rape.”
[...]
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 06:36 am
@Walter Hinteler,
https://i.imgur.com/nVTfdiZ.jpg

Link with audio of ad: > https://twitter.com/notlarrysabato <
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 09:15 am
@hightor,
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More glorification of violence from the right:

That is laughable just like the body slams in professional wrestling. They are rehearsed. Out of touch media does not know whether to **** or go blind.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 09:16 am
@hightor,
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What's so obvious?

He is Jewish, elites do not like Jews.
farmerman
 
  5  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 09:17 am
@coldjoint,
see how these guys have all gone neanderthal when they discovered that this fat clown of a president has got no executive function thats working in his brain?
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 09:19 am
@farmerman,
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see how these guys have all gone neanderthal

All I see is that you believe in crap and expect others to believe it too.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 09:52 am
@hightor,
So you were one of the small number of liberals who didn't think W and Reagan were morons?

OK - If you say so I believe you.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 10:19 am
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Twitter Locks LifeSiteNews Account Over Article On Rising Homosexual STD Rates

You would think homosexuals would want all the information on diseases increasing as possible. I guess telling them that STD's are on the rise is somehow hateful?
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=59227
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revelette1
 
  5  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 10:26 am
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Journalists expressed disgust with Donald Trump’s remarks at a rally Thursday night in Montana, where he praised and joked about the unprovoked assault on a Guardian U.S. journalist by the state’s congressman, Greg Gianforte.

“Gianforte is a criminal. He pled guilty to [assault]. The president is congratulating a criminal on committing a crime,” said New York Times correspondent Binyamin Appelbaum.

Trump’s comments “mark the first time the president has openly and directly praised a violent act against a journalist on American soil,” added New York Times reporter Sheryl Gay Stolberg.

Trump fondly reminisced about the physical assault that occurred on May 24 last year when Ben Jacobs, the Guardian’s political correspondent, asked Gianforte a question about healthcare policy in the course of a special congressional election in Montana. At Thursday’s rally, Trump said that anyone who could perform a body-slam, as Gianforte did on Jacobs, was “my guy,” and that news of the attack, which occurred the night before the special election, probably helped Gianforte win.

Trump finished his account of the physical assault by saying of Gianforte: “He’s a great guy. Tough cookie.” The partisan crowd at the rally in Missoula in western Montana clapped and cheered.


Guardian

One day Trump supporters later generations of their's are going to look back at their ancestors in shame for supporting such a disgusting human being as this President in the US.


"Oh, look there is a picture of my great nanna clapping and cheering for Trump after he said his kind of guy was an admitted criminal."
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 10:35 am
@revelette1,
Is there enough oxygen in that lofty plane in which you reside?
izzythepush
 
  3  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 10:50 am
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Former MI6 boss says Khashoggi killing shows Saudi Arabia thought it had 'licence' from US to do as it wanted

In his World at One interview Sir John Sawers also said he thought Saudi Arabia would have only carried out the killing of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi if it thought it had “licence” to behave like that from Washington. He said:

This appalling killing in Istanbul, it seems to me all the evidence points to it being ordered and carried out by people close to Mohammed bin Salman, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. I don’t think he would have done this if he hadn’t thought he had licence from the US administration to, frankly, behave as he wished to do so.

Sawers claimed President Trump was now realising “just how dangerous it is to have people acting with the sense that they have impunity in their relationship with the United States”.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/oct/19/brexit-may-summit-tory-brexiters-would-vote-down-extra-payments-to-eu-for-longer-transition-says-rees-mogg-politics-live?page=with:block-5bc9d0d9e4b0dfdbdb810222#block-5bc9d0d9e4b0dfdbdb810222

This is all I can find on the interview but on the radio earlier it was reported that Sawers was convinced Mohammed bin Salman was behind this based on conversations with various contacts.

This guy knows what he's talking about, he's the former head of MI6, M in the James Bond films.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 10:54 am
@izzythepush,
Yeah and as we saw with the "Trump Dossier" how reliable former M16 agents are.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 10:56 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Is there enough oxygen in that lofty plane in which you reside?

At that height oxygen induces intolerance, poetry, and high drama.
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izzythepush
 
  5  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 10:58 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
It was reliable, but you don't care about how lousy your president is as long as you can exploit the worker.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 11:02 am
@izzythepush,
Right - Rolling Eyes
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 11:07 am
@izzythepush,
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but you don't care

We know what you do not care about. That alone makes your opinions garbage.
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izzythepush
 
  5  
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 11:28 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
That and your inability to ever admit you were wrong. Trump could **** on the floor, roll round in it and you'd call him a diplomatic genius.

It was the same when a London cabbie told you a load of old bollocks about special petrol so he could drive you all around the houses and charge you double the fare. And you still bloody tipped him.

When both Walt and I told you there is no special petrol you refused to accept the truth. Now I can just about accept you not believing me due to our personal animosity, but Walter. He's a straight shooter, but you'd rather not believe him because you prefer fantasy to reality, and your posts are proof of that.

You'd rather believe an autocratic monarch who's just locked up a load of women for campaigning for the right to drive over the ex head of intelligence of another liberal democracy.
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