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hightor
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 01:23 pm
@Baldimo,
From what I understand, antifa is not an organized group. They're anarchists, right? You're not going to find them in the phone book or see an interview with their elected leaders. Any bunch of people who want to gather together under that name can do so.

And let me point out, neither "antifa" nor "Proud Boys" is representative of all the left or all the right, respectively. That's why I've objected to the way you, cj, and others on the right point to every instance of a progressive mob scene as exemplary of the entire left. Toy paraphrase your president, there are good people, and bad, on both sides.
Olivier5
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 01:33 pm
@coldjoint,
I doubt it's hallal to kill a guest, especially Muslim. And this journalist was the embassy's guest. I know it's a moot point but in Afghan tribal law it's a big no-no. No "red wedding" could happen over there.

BTW, this Afghan qanun is a very harsh law, much harsher than Sharia e.g. re. women. To the effect that some Afghan feminists are using religious law against tribal law, i.e. they try to use the Sharia as a feminist platform against Qanun.

coldjoint
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 01:39 pm
@Olivier5,
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hallal

You spelled that wrong, that gives me an indication of how little you know.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/halal
farmerman
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 01:44 pm
@coldjoint,
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حلال ḥalāl, "permissible"), also spelled hallal or halaal,
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 01:48 pm
@hightor,
Who is being defensive? I asked you if Trump was like Obamain term of internationals affairs. Yes or no?

Sure it’s cut and dried from a “strictly moral” perspective, but unfortunately that is a “strictly unrealistic” perspective.

What do you want him to say? The guy obviously can’t win with you.
coldjoint
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 01:48 pm
@farmerman,
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ḥalāl, "permissible"), also spelled hallal or halaal,

So what? That is by far the most common spelling. If he knew anything about Islam, he would know that. But your "got ya" moment will go down in history. Tell your cows.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 02:06 pm
@hightor,
BTW: I’m quite sure he is more aware of the complexity of US/Saudi relations than you are. Typical liberal assumption is that every Republican president is a moron. It’s foolish and pretentious of you.
RABEL222
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 03:04 pm
I can't help but wonder which side we should believe re this murder. The Saudi's and the Turks are both of the putin persuasion when it comes to killing people who disagree with their governments as proposed by the leaders of said governments. Hope Trumps regard of these leaders dosent tempt him to try the same thing in the U S.
izzythepush
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 03:08 pm
@RABEL222,
Erdogan is a bit of an autocrat and he has fiddled with the electoral system to make it easier to stay in power, but Turkey is model of democracy compared to the absolute monarchy that is Saudi Arabia.
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coldjoint
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 03:14 pm
@RABEL222,
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Hope Trumps regard of these leaders dosent tempt him to try the same thing in the U S.

I wouldn't worry about that until the Democrats take power.
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 03:15 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Hope Trumps regard of these leaders dosent tempt him to try the same thing in the U S.


Like Jamal Khashoggi most of the potential targets living in the US are Muslim, and I doubt Trump's base would care much about their safety.

It all boils down to whether they think they can get away with it.
coldjoint
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 03:19 pm
@izzythepush,
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Like Jamal Khashoggi most of the potential targets living in the US are Muslim

Sure they are. Maybe if they are allowed to rape our children they will behave.
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RABEL222
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 03:20 pm
@izzythepush,
As Trump said long ago "I could shoot someone and not be blamed for it" not an accurate quote, paraphrasing but close enough to what he did say.
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Baldimo
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 03:24 pm
@hightor,
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From what I understand, antifa is not an organized group. They're anarchists, right?

They sure seem to organize just fine to their anti-protests. They are more like a coalation of Socialists and Communists, they rally and support the Socialists Workers Party of America.

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You're not going to find them in the phone book or see an interview with their elected leaders. Any bunch of people who want to gather together under that name can do so.

That's what the media has been telling us for a couple of months now, they have been down playing Antifa as much as possible, even to the point of not mentioning they were involved with attacks and just referring to them as "counter protesters". Counter meaning they were not part of the protest, but they showed up to disrupt it and "Punch Nazi's in the face..."

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And let me point out, neither "antifa" nor "Proud Boys" is representative of all the left or all the right, respectively.

I never indicated such a thing, I think they are extremists from both sides of the aisle.

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That's why I've objected to the way you, cj, and others on the right point to every instance of a progressive mob scene as exemplary of the entire left. Toy paraphrase your president, there are good people, and bad, on both sides.

I don't think they are exemplary of the left either, but there are enough people on the left who support what Antifa does that pointing to a large group as supports of Antifa is easy to do. In fact, I have yet to hear a single political person from the left denounce Antifa, they just about all support them, and that includes people on this site and people in the MSM. Don't make excuses for the violence and join me in denouncing violent groups. You seem to fit into the excuse dept. Denounce Antifa.

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hightor
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 03:43 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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What do you want him to say?

I would rather he said nothing that blurt out stupid theories like "rogue killers".
hightor
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 03:45 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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I’m quite sure he is more aware of the complexity of US/Saudi relations than you are.

Well, I should hope so. He has staff who can help him on those things. And Jared Kushner.

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Typical liberal assumption is that every Republican president is a moron.

Trump is nothing like other Republican presidents.

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It’s foolish and pretentious of you.

Yeah, okay.
jcboy
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 04:12 pm
Once again tRump he never takes blame for anything unless of course the repulse republicans keep the house, only then will he take the credit. Gutless and Desperate!

Trump says it’s not his fault if Republicans lose the House

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President Trump said Tuesday that it will not be his fault if Republicans lose control of the House in the November midterm election, weeks after he told supporters to “pretend I’m on the ballot.”

Trump made the comments in a wide-ranging interview with the Associated Press in which he was asked whether he would bear some responsibility if Republicans lose the House.

“No, I think I’m helping people,” Trump told the Associated Press , defending his efforts to rally support for candidates nationwide. He has headlined four Make America Great Again rallies in each of the past two weeks, and he’s holding three more this week.

“I don’t believe anybody’s ever had this kind of an impact,” Trump said. “They would say that in the old days that if you got the support of a president or if you’ve got the support of somebody it would be nice to have, but it meant nothing, zero. Like literally zero. Some of the people I’ve endorsed have gone up 40 and 50 points just on the endorsement.”


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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 04:15 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

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I’m quite sure he is more aware of the complexity of US/Saudi relations than you are.

Well, I should hope so. He has staff who can help him on those things. And Jared Kushner.

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Typical liberal assumption is that every Republican president is a moron.

Trump is nothing like other Republican presidents.

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It’s foolish and pretentious of you.

Yeah, okay.


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Trump is nothing like other Republican presidents.


So what?

I'll wager though that you believed W and Reagan were imbeciles.

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Yeah, okay.


I'll also wager you know it is true.

coldjoint
 
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Thu 18 Oct, 2018 04:20 pm
@hightor,
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And Jared Kushner.

What is your problem with Kushner, besides the obvious?
 

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