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neptuneblue
 
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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 08:39 pm
Kent State 'gun girl' rally changed to walk after university charges security costs, bans guns at rally

By Emily Bamforth, cleveland.com [email protected]

KENT, Ohio -- "Kent State gun girl" Kaitlin Bennett has switched her controversial open carry rally to a walk after the university banned guns at the event and charged thousands of dollars in security costs.

The event is now being marketed as Bennett and potentially hundreds of visitors openly carrying guns around campus and talking to students about gun rights and campus carry.

Kent State sent a cease-and-desist letter in August to Bennett, telling her to stop advertising the initial rally. The university said the rally needed sponsorship from a student group who would work with the university.

Student group Liberty Hangout and president Michael Heil worked with the university to try and make it happen, rapidly filing paperwork and meeting with officials.

But last week, Kent State officials told Liberty Hangout that the group would be responsible for security fees, and since it's a student-sponsored event, it must comply with university rules.

That means no guns.

"The way the university is acting is really unfortunate for all students; they're imposing restrictions and security costs to prohibit speech," Bennett said in an interview with cleveland.com Tuesday.

Kent State students, faculty and staff cannot carry, possess or store guns on campus, per university policy. Visitors can carry openly outdoors on campus, but may not carry concealed weapons.

Bennett, who graduated from Kent State in the spring, garnered notoriety by open-carrying in her graduation photos, when she slung an AR-10 across her back.

Heil said the university tried to charge Liberty Hangout about $14,000 for security fees. He feels the university is overcharging the group.

Cleveland.com requested a copy of the communication sent to Liberty Hangout about the rally. This post will be updated with information from that document when it's received.

"I think it was poorly handled and I think the school is showing their bias," Heil said.

The Sept. 29 rally will now be an open-carry walk, where visitors will walk with their guns on full display. There was a walk at Ohio State University last week, and Bennett said it promoted thoughtful dialogue between activists and students.

"We've decided to take the high road," she said.

Organizers will cancel the speakers, which were going to include representatives from Infowars and Patriot's Prayer. Bennett still expects about 300 people to show take part.
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neptuneblue
 
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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 08:41 pm
Kent State left with $65K price tag for open carry rally
POSTED 10:26 PM, OCTOBER 9, 2018, BY KEVIN FREEMAN

KENT, Ohio -- The price tag for a gun rally at Kent State University late last month is costing the school tens of thousands of dollars. Hundreds of “open carry” advocates and counter demonstrators converged on the campus weekend before last, sparking a heated dialogue on gun rights.

There was a heavy police presence at Kent State University September 29, as demonstrators walked through campus to denounce open carry gun restrictions on college campuses. They were met with counter demonstrators and a massive number of state troopers and police officers.

"You had the wall of the people over here who were for the guns and a wall of police that, like, kept the counter protesters and the protesters apart from each other, so I guess it did what it needed to do," said one KSU student.

Tuesday, Kent State officials revealed the cost of the rally is about $65,000. The money was used to pay overtime, and for additional Kent State police officers and dispatchers. It includes supplies, transportation, communication systems and meals. The cost is only the amount incurred by the university and does not include money spent by outside police agencies or the Ohio State Highway Patrol that helped provide security.

"No matter if you're conservative or liberal, a life is still a life and if that means hiring people to, like, sit on the top of buildings or like a SWAT team, if that's what it means to protect somebody's life if they're in danger, then that's what that means," said another student.

"It's good that Kent State is upholding its mission to make sure that this is a safe campus and to do everything; that's a lot of money, but it's hard for me to put into perspective how much money it would cost to enforce that level of security," said another.

The university made clear that it did not endorse either group of demonstrators, but the KSU president said she had to keep everyone on campus safe.

"They had to have it, even though it was like a no-win situation," a KSU student said.

"I'm glad that they did it, so they spent that kind of money, but it was ridiculous that it had to be spent in the first place," responded another.

"The fact that we do have that history with the shooting of students, I don't feel like it was a bad decision," said a student.

The rally was organized by KSU graduate Kaitlin Bennett, but university officials say they will not charge her or anyone else because the rally was not affiliated with any school organization.

Bennett vows to return for another rally in the future.
coldjoint
 
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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 08:43 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
baselessly accusing liberal billionaire George Soros of paying the demonstrators.

Wrong. The lady that cornered Flake in the elevator was a well known Soros agent. That is one lie in the article. Kind of ruins it.
Quote:
Woman Who Confronted Jeff Flake In Elevator Runs SOROS-backed Organization

https://100percentfedup.com/woman-who-confronted-jeff-flake-in-elevator-runs-soros-backed-organization/
Quote:
Soros setup: ‘Victim’ screaming at Flake in elevator is Co-Exec. Director of Soros-funded organization

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/09/29/soros-setup-victim-screaming-at-flake-in-elevator-is-co-exec-director-of-soros-funded-organization-678663
neptuneblue
 
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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 08:47 pm
@coldjoint,
She still is a sexual abuse survivor.

And she has the right to speak. Unless this isn't a free country.

Alas, it is. So she did.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 08:53 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
She still is a sexual abuse survivor.

And she has the right to speak. Unless this isn't a free country.

Alas, it is. So she did.

She is allowed to be paid for it too. What would you say for money?
neptuneblue
 
  2  
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 08:54 pm
@coldjoint,
Why are you so shocked?

As if Trump doesn't do it?
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 08:59 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
As if Trump doesn't do it?

You can prove that he does like I proved Soros does. Or can't you?
glitterbag
 
  5  
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 09:41 pm
@coldjoint,
Trump is the biggest cheapskate on earth. He might promise to pay but he won't, he just flat out lies and the magpie rubes repeat it as if it's gospel. But he spends the taxpayers money like a drunken sailor.
neptuneblue
 
  4  
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 09:46 pm
How Much Does Trump Pay People to Cheer at His Rallies?
Barri Segal | MORE ARTICLES
March 4, 2018

The practice of hiring paid crowds — also known as “astroturfing” — is not new. The concept of there being popular support — or at least an illusion of it — at courts, theaters, games, funerals, and politics goes as far back as the Greeks and Romans. In fact, Nero paid a group to watch him sing — and applaud loudly, of course — in the theater.

Donald Trump was accused of breaking the law during his campaign by hiring paid actors to attend his rallies. Although the Federal Election Commission dismissed the charges, a lot of U.S. citizens haven’t. Read evidence that points to the fact that Trump really did hire actors to support him, and other interesting facts about the “tradition.”

1. It appears Trump really did hire people to come to rallies

Trump paid people to cheer him as he announced his candidacy at Trump Tower in June 2015. | Christopher Gregory/Getty Images

Trump has been accused of using actors during his campaign since he announced he would run for president in June 2015. What’s worse is that he paid them a measly $50 apiece to come out and cheer, according to Business Insider. Corey Lewandowski, Trump’s campaign manager at the time, denied the charges and in an interview with Business Insider said, “… It’s just not true, unequivocally. The Donald Trump campaign and Donald Trump did not pay anybody to attend his announcement.”

The American Democracy Legal Fund filed a complaint in 2015 with the Federal Election Commission, saying that Trump should have disclosed the fact that he paid people. And because he didn’t, he was breaking the rules regarding reporting provisions.

The commission closed the case, saying that the Trump campaign admitted it paid $12,000 to Gotham Government Relations on October 8. Gotham hired Extra Mile — a full-service event and incentive marketing company — with that money so it could “provide administrative support at Trump’s announcement.”

Next: It only gets worse for Trump.
2. Trump never actually paid his bill
donald trump meeting with the press at the white house
Trump stiffed his hired supporters. | Dietsch-Pool/Getty Images

According to The Washington Post, Trump’s campaign never paid Gotham the $12,000 it was owed until a month after the FEC received a complaint. What makes that even worse is that during the four months that Trump wasn’t paying his bill, Gotham was actually “loaning money” to the campaign — which could be construed as a contribution.

Next: Trump is not alone.
3. Others have created the illusion of grassroots enthusiasm
Trump supporters Georgia
Trump supporters, or paid Trump supporters? | Mark Wallheiser/Getty Images

According to The Atlantic, politically paid support can actually turn into genuine support. As the candidate gets more media coverage for his campaign — because he seems popular — voters might change their minds as they become more aware of him and get to know his policies better.

Many political candidates have been accused of astroturfing. For example, The Tea Party movement’s left-leaning adversaries accused it of using the practice when it was in its formative years. And George W. Bush faced the same accusation when a newspaper editor received letters of support from Bush’s own website.

Next: These actors were hired for jeers, not cheers.
4. Astroturfing at political protests
Ohio Statehouse
Unions have been hiring protestors for years. | Mike Munden/Getty Images

The New York Times reported in 2015 that a group of anti-gay marriage “protesters” at the NYC Pride Parade were fakes. The group turned out to be a bunch of hired day laborers.

Unions have been astroturfing for years. The Mid-Atlantic Regional Council of Carpenters routinely pays people to walk in picket lines when local unions strike. Many of the hired hands are temporary workers and homeless people.

Next: Find out who does this kind of work.
5. Who do you call to fill a room?
Smiling people waving American flags and looking up in crowd
Real crowd or paid stand-ins? | Martin Barraud/Getty Images

It’s simple to arrange for a crowd at an event — Crowds on Demand, a company based in Los Angeles, can rent out a crowd for anything from a rally to a protest. Founded in 2012 by UCLA graduate Adam Swart, it’s one of the few of these types of companies. Crowds for Rent and Extra Mile Casting (the one Trump “inadvertently” hired) pretty much have the market to themselves.

Crowds on Demand can provide more than 1,000 people for an event, and its services don’t stop there. The company creates PR stunts like providing a 100-person flash mob for a corporate event and having fake paparazzi chase clients to generate some buzz.

Next: Here’s how much it costs.
6. Crowds don’t come cheap
Anthony Weiner is giving a thumbs up while holding a child.
Anthony Weiner paid crowds to help rehabilitate his image. It didn’t work. | Andrew Burton/Getty Images

According to the New York Post, Crowds on Demand received in excess of $50,000 from Tim Draper’s “Six Californias” campaign. Venture capitalist Draper wanted to split California into six separate states, but his ballot initiative failed. In addition, Anthony Weiner (of sexting scandal fame) paid the company’s actors $15 per hour to show up at events during his 2013 bid for mayor of New York City.

Next: International crowds for hire
7. Rent a crowd across the pond — and farther
Heavy security at the royal wedding
The concept is spreading to Europe too. | Paul Hackett/AFP/Getty Images

It didn’t take long for the concept of crowd-for-hire companies to spread. Rentacrowd in the UK promises it can “Hire a Crowd for Anything” and that “No request is too out there.” And, according to The Wall Street Journal, a Ukrainian company called “Easy Work” has paid $4 per hour to student “protestors” to attend a wide range of political events.

Next: Trump wasn’t the only guilty one.
8. Hillary Clinton was accused of buying audience participation, too

Did Hillary Clinton hire paid protestors? | Scott Barbour/Getty Images

According to Forbes, Hillary Clinton was also accused of astroturfing. Rumor has it Clinton paid for “protesters” to go to Trump rallies and shake things up. In addition, Clinton was accused of hiring people to troll Bernie Sanders supporters online, write pro-Hillary comments, and convince the public that Sanders is out of touch with the modern world.
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coldjoint
 
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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 10:01 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Trump is the biggest cheapskate on earth.

Like you are the biggest gossip? You only know what you have been told.
glitterbag
 
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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 10:02 pm
@coldjoint,
you are projecting.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 11:29 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
you are projecting.

You are remarkably unoriginal.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 13 Oct, 2018 01:13 am
@glitterbag,
Melania Trump parts company with husband's agenda in ABC interview
Quote:
First lady contradicts Donald Trump’s America-first doctrine and backs ‘chain migration’ – while defending her fashion choices

The first lady, Melania Trump, has laid out a vision of the role of the United States in the world that is markedly different from her husband’s America-first policy, while seemingly breaking with the president’s stance on restricting immigration.

Speaking to ABC’s Tom Llamas in an interview recorded in Kenya last week, Trump also said the MeToo movement had at times gone too far. “If somebody is accused with stuff that it’s not correct … as they say you are guilty before you innocent and I don’t believe in that,” she said. “I do stand with women but we need to show the evidence.”

On America’s role in the world she said: “I think it’s very important that we show the world that America cares and that this administration cares and I care. When other people have more opportunities, then the world is more freer.” It was a far cry from her husband telling the United Nations last month that the US rejects the ideology of globalism.
... ... ...
maporsche
 
  4  
Sat 13 Oct, 2018 01:34 am
@coldjoint,
What was their plan?
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Sat 13 Oct, 2018 08:26 am
Pentagon advisers have warned of a new threat to US national security: almost a third of young US citizens are now too fat to join the military, according to a report by former generals and admirals. The widespread obesity makes the recruitment of new soldiers considerably more difficult and threatens the fighting strength, they say.

"Obesity has long threatened the health of our nation. It is now threatening our security as the epidemic spreads," says the "Unhealthy and unprepared" report presented this week by Washington's Council For A Strong America.

More @ Army Times: America’s obesity is threatening national security, according to this study

Report @ StrongNation.org/MissionReadiness: Unhealthy and Unprepared
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revelette1
 
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Sat 13 Oct, 2018 10:23 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
But while she has in the past insisted her outfits are not about sending a message, during her ABC interview she made clear is not always the case. In June she wore a drab olive jacket emblazoned with the words “I really don’t care do u?” while travelling to visit migrant children separated from their parents in Texas.

“It was for the people and for the leftwing media who are criticising me and I want to show them that I don’t care,” she said. “It was kind of a message, yes. I would prefer that they would focus on what I do and on my initiatives than what I wear.


So while visting children torn from their families in a horrible manner and made to live separately from them, she chose to wear a jacket with a message to the media and the people who were criticizing her and then wonders why people chose to focus on her message she was wearing on her jacket? I forgot, she is the most bullied person in world.

I think she should say less, I actually admired her for her poise and style before she started in giving her honest held beliefs and opinions.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sat 13 Oct, 2018 11:01 am
@maporsche,
Quote:
What was their plan?

Who are they?
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coldjoint
 
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Sat 13 Oct, 2018 11:04 am
@revelette1,
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I think she should say less, I actually admired her for her poise and style before she started in giving her honest held beliefs and opinions.

So you do not like honesty? You sure picked the right party to support. You will get no honesty from any Democrat.
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sat 13 Oct, 2018 11:32 am
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Valerie Jarrett Is Now Attacking Kanye West For Trump White House Visit

Our last president, Jarrett, comes out of her Obama bunker. No they are not worried about the Black vote, are they?
https://preview.redd.it/2p7mnbjukqr11.jpg?width=829&auto=webp&s=b4892eb1e86e56415fee2717e01532f6fbdf6985
I guess Jarret forgot about the other rappers that graced the WH.
Read more at http://dcwhispers.com/valerie-jarrett-is-now-attacking-kanye-west-for-trump-white-house-visit/#IcT8MRwSIMTFyrF6.99
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