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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:05 am
@hightor,
Quote:
McConnell actually refused to give Garland a hearing.

And what Biden said is why he did it. Do you remember what Harry Reid said about lying about Romney not paying taxes? He said "he lost didn't he?" In that vain Garland is not on the Supreme court, is he? Do not complain about political stunts when everyone is guilty.
ehBeth
 
  4  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:08 am
@blatham,
https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42128772_2707401282604166_285685444820074496_n.png?_nc_cat=1&oh=caefd3c7b34e066720c06f104fa7f20a&oe=5C2DB386

quel surprise
ehBeth
 
  3  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:10 am
@blatham,
There is a pretty big difference between a background check and a criminal investigation. Don't let #45 supporters distract you.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:12 am
Quote:
Did Kavanaugh Accuser Send SAME Letter About Gorsuch


Quote:
❌🚨Josh Cornett🚨❌ @therealcornett

🚨BREAKING: According to sources Diane Feinstein's reluctance to mention the Kavanaugh accuser's letter during confirmation session is because the accuser sent a similiar letter directed at Judge Gorsuch last year. The whereabouts of the earlier letter remain a mystery.developing

Maybe the FBI should look into this.
https://theblacksphere.net/2018/09/did-kavanaugh-accuser-send-same-letter-about-gorsuch/
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:13 am
@ehBeth,
Quote:
There is a pretty big difference between a background check and a criminal investigation

Please explain it for us. Although it is obvious to many it is no more than spin from a desperate party afraid of a conservative court. A conservative court means America will stay America and it is the last thing Democrats want.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:21 am
@ehBeth,
https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42128772_2707401282604166_285685444820074496_n.png?_nc_cat=1&oh=caefd3c7b34e066720c06f104fa7f20a&oe=5C2DB386
And that has what to do with Kavanaugh? Just dragging race in for the Hell of it? Do you remember Sen. Ralph Byrd?
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:22 am
@ehBeth,
I'd seen that fella's response on twitter. Good as it was but the disgusted sneer makes it even better.
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:23 am
@ehBeth,
Understood. I was working from her lawyer's statement.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:25 am
@blatham,
Quote:
Good as it was but the disgusted sneer makes it even better.

Racial hatred is a way to unite the country? Make sure you keep it alive so freedom can die.
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blatham
 
  3  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:33 am
Posting this in full for those with access limitations. From Greg Sargent
Quote:
The refusal by President Trump and Republicans to support an FBI examination of the sexual-assault charges against Brett M. Kavanaugh isn’t simply a tactic designed to get the judge confirmed to the Supreme Court at a moment when his nomination is in doubt.

No, this situation should also be understood, in certain respects, as the latest manifestation of Trump’s corruption and ongoing assault on the rule of law — and Republicans’ active aiding and abetting of them.

Here’s why: Even if Republicans were to agree that the FBI should look into the new charges lodged by Christine Blasey Ford, there are no circumstances under which Trump would ever accept the FBI’s findings — should they cast further doubt on Kavanaugh’s nomination, or even fail to fully exonerate him — as legitimate. That fact is a direct outgrowth of Trump’s corrupt attacks on the FBI and law enforcement as part of of his ongoing campaign of harassment and disruption directed at the investigation into his own conduct and that of his campaign.

Senior Senate Democratic aides tell me they believe there is a 50-50 chance, at this point, that Ford will decline to appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Monday, as Republicans have invited her to do alongside Kavanaugh. Ford’s legal team has insisted that the FBI investigate her charges before she appear, to ensure that there is a fuller set of shared facts to operate from as the foundation for a fair hearing. Republicans have declined, and essentially delivered an ultimatum: If she doesn’t appear, the vote will go forward, and most signs indicate Kavanaugh would have the support of 50 or 51 Senate Republicans.

On Thursday, I spoke to Tim Weiner, a historian of the U.S. intelligence services who has written well-regarded chronicles of the FBI and of the Central Intelligence Agency. He contended that the Republican argument against further FBI scrutiny of Ford’s charges is “nonsense.”

Weiner told me it is not just desirable, but “essential,” for the FBI to examine the new charges against Kavanaugh, “not just to determine whether he was a drunken rapey teenager, but to determine whether he is a liar.” Kavanaugh has flatly denied Ford’s charges, and is expected to do the same when he testifies publicly again.

‘What happens at Georgetown Prep, stays at Georgetown Prep’

The FBI conducts background checks on Supreme Court nominees and shares that information with officials who are weighing confirmation. As the New York Times noted on Wednesday, the FBI’s role is not to pass judgment on the credibility of claims such as those made by Ford but, rather, to provide additional information that officials evaluating those claims might find useful.

In that regard, Weiner argued additional FBI involvement right now could be useful. In this case, Weiner said, the FBI could interview “character and material witnesses” to Kavanaugh’s behavior at the time, and talk to “his classmates and her classmates.”

“It would make sure that what happened at Georgetown Prep didn’t stay at Georgetown Prep,” Weiner said, in a reference to Kavanaugh’s joke during a 2015 speech that “what happens at Georgetown Prep” — which he attended — “stays at Georgetown Prep.” In other words, FBI fact finding is supposed to crack through such codes of silence.

Weiner noted that the FBI could interview both Kavanaugh and Ford. It could also interview others who are witnesses of a sort — Mark Judge, who was allegedly present at the high school party in question or, say, Ford’s husband, who has said Ford singled out Kavanaugh by name during a therapy session in 2012. Indeed, Weiner pointed out that the process could actually provide information that casts doubt on Ford’s claim.

“A background check could determine that his accuser is lying,” Weiner said. For instance, it could provide lawmakers with additional testimony from classmates attesting to his character or testimony from people sympathetic to her that stops well short of corroboration, thus putting her story on shakier ground.

Trump’s corruption is staining everything

But here’s the real rub of the matter: Whether the FBI does this is up to the president. And as Weiner pointed out, Trump essentially sees the FBI as illegitimate. Indeed, earlier this week, Trump blasted the FBI as “truly a cancer in our country.”

Thus, the president is, of course, all but certain not to ask the FBI to look into this further. But the point is that, even if he did, he would not accept any FBI findings if they were not entirely to his liking. And Republicans are so protective of this president that they would not accept them, either, let alone buck the president by calling for the FBI to get involved again in the first place.

The fact that Trump “just called the FBI a cancer,” Weiner noted, confirms that “his hatred for the FBI, and Senate Republicans’ slavish devotion to him, make the question of the FBI’s involvement a nonstarter.”

The bottom line is that a legitimate fact-finding role for the FBI in this process is simply not possible with this president in office, and Trump’s corruption is the root cause of this. Because of it, there could not be such a fact-finding effort in this case even if both parties were to agree that it is desirable. And Republicans — who now claim that testimony from only Ford and Kavanaugh will be sufficient, to keep the dispute shrouded in “he said, she said” uncertainty — are complicit in creating this state of affairs, in which bringing an external, neutral fact-finding effort to bear on this process is essentially unthinkable.

Kavanaugh very well may be entirely innocent, of course, but this only underscores the point further. The absence of that neutral effort to determine the truth — which is the direct outgrowth of Trump’s corruption of the rule of law for his own personal ends — will forever be a question mark over the process, should Kavanaugh be confirmed. After all, if you presume Kavanaugh’s innocence, that inevitably also means this absence leaves doubt lingering over his ascension that should have been dispelled.

My only beef with Greg here is the centrality he grants Trump in this. Trump (who is certainly thoroughly corrupt) is utilizing an already corrupted Republican party. I can't imagine McConnell behaving differently even if Jeb Bush any of the other primary contenders had won.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:35 am
@ehBeth,
What a ridiculous meme.

This isn't the case at all. Much to the chagrin of Democrats no Republican or conservative pundit has said anything of the sort, but don't let the truth get in the way of your propaganda.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:35 am
@blatham,
Quote:
Trump (who is certainly thoroughly corrupt)

Prove it.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:36 am
@neptuneblue,
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Kavanaugh claims that he never “acted that way” “with anybody.” There are a lot of “anybodys.” How many of them have been spoken to?
THAT’S OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD! I should note, I’m not an F.B.I. investigator. I bet Clarice freaking Starling would have more ideas for how to lock down the facts, one way or another.


So you want the FBI to go on a fishing expedition.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:37 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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but don't let the truth get in the way of your propaganda.

I am sure she will not let you down.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:37 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

The Senate could just subpoena her to testify if they really wanted to.


And play right into the Dem's hands. Rolling Eyes

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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:38 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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So you want the FBI to go on a fishing expedition.

Isn't Mueller using all the poles already?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:44 am
@glitterbag,
You, obviously, accept her accusation as truth.

That's fine, you're not on a jury where your conclusion must be based on evidence.

There is a sacred right in this nation called "due process." The public can think whatever they wish about an accused but the government can't act on accusations without clear evidence.

Regardless of the truth or motivations of this woman, it is terrible that she is getting death threats. I bet Brett Kavanaugh had got them too. We live in a society where the sick fringe has been given voice by technology.

No one is saying "boys will be boys." No one.

No one is blaming her for anything. No one.

Nice try to forward the propaganda though.

She is being asked to make her case before the accused. That is a fundamental principle of our rule of law.

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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:46 am
@ehBeth,
Yes and there were 6 background checks conducted on Kavanaugh.

Even if the FBI didn't get involved now it would not be a criminal investigation.

Nice try though
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:47 am
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Juannita Broaddrick: Hey, I'm Willing to Testify

How about that? She is ready to back up her accusations of rape.

Quote:

Juanita Broaddrick @atensnut

Just a thought......If Christine Ford declines to be interviewed Monday.... I’m available to answer questions about my Rape by Bill Clinton.
7:25 PM - Sep 19, 2018

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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2018/09/20/juannita-broaddrick-has-spoken-up-on-blasey-ford-n2520800
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:47 am
@coldjoint,
If this is true, it is a major bombshell.

I have my doubts though
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