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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 22 Aug, 2018 11:14 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

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Cohen pleaded guilty to eight criminal charges and said he acted at the direction of Trump.

Pretty misleading statement. It leaves the reader with the impression Trump had something to do with all 8 charges. That simply is not true because Cohen did not say any such thing.
I think, you should address that to Cohen.



coldjoint wrote:
Plus Obama received a slap on the wrist for campaign finance issues. D'Souza went to jail and Rosie O'Donnell was not even charged. All hypocrisy all the time.
Could you source when that was part of this federal criminal case?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 22 Aug, 2018 11:16 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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The Democratic National Committee alerted the FBI on Tuesday to an attempted hack of its voter database — two years after Russian spies compromised its computers and released thousands of emails online, throwing the party into disarray in the midst of the presidential election.

The latest effort failed, DNC officials said.

But it showed that adversaries are still determined to try to interfere in the election process, despite warnings from senior government officials, they said.

“This attempt is further proof that there are constant threats as we head into midterm elections and we must remain vigilant in order to prevent future attacks,” DNC Chief Security Officer Bob Lord said. “While it’s clear that the actors were going after the party’s most sensitive information — the voter file — the DNC was able to prevent a hack by working with the cyber ecosystem to identify it and take steps to stop it.”
WaPo
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camlok
 
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Wed 22 Aug, 2018 11:28 am
@coldjoint,
Dems, Repugs, it's all the same crap. You folks don't even know how badly you are being taken.
coldjoint
 
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Wed 22 Aug, 2018 11:35 am
@camlok,
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Dems, Repugs, it's all the same crap. You folks don't even know how badly you are being taken.

There is still time for you to run in 2020 as an independent. Good luck.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 22 Aug, 2018 11:37 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
]Cohen did not say that, his lawyer did.
I haven't been there but I'll take your response (you were an eyewitness of what Cohen and his lawyer said, I suppose) as truth in the Giuliani sense.
coldjoint
 
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Wed 22 Aug, 2018 11:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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you were an eyewitness of what Cohen and his lawyer said, I suppose

Well of course I am. I am everywhere. You can do better Walter.
ehBeth
 
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Wed 22 Aug, 2018 11:45 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I think, you should address that to Cohen.


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/402909-cohen-says-he-violated-campaign-finance-law-at-direction-of-candidate

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/21/michael-cohen-striking-deal-with-federal-prosecutors.html

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/08/rudy-michael-cohen-trump-implicated-individual-1.html

hmmmm

who was a candidate who became US president sometime after June 2015

such a mystery
camlok
 
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Wed 22 Aug, 2018 11:46 am
@coldjoint,
The most insidious threat facing western "democracies" is that there has never been any accountability demanded of the "elite".

Most voters are content to suck the teat and other appendages.


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revelette1
 
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Wed 22 Aug, 2018 11:54 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Pretty misleading statement. It leaves the reader with the impression Trump had something to do with all 8 charges. That simply is not true because Cohen did not say any such thing.


Quote:
Cohen admitted that "in coordination and at the direction of a candidate for federal office," he kept information that would have harmed Trump from becoming public during the 2016 election cycle.


CNN

The point is that Trump coordinated and directed Cohen to keep information from becoming public. In other words, hush money which is a serious campaign violation. He also committed crimes associated with those campaign violations.

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Plus Obama received a slap on the wrist for campaign finance issues. D'Souza went to jail and Rosie O'Donnell was not even charged. All hypocrisy all the time.


Comparing Obama campaign issues with Trump's campaign violation is a false comparison . Standard operation procedure with Trump and Trumpies.

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But let’s focus on the second part of Trump’s assertion, that Cohen’s charges and his actions fall into a big bucket of “campaign finance violations” that also includes violations that President Barack Obama was found to have committed. It’s a very Trumpian bit of whataboutism, waving away something severe that Trump or a Trump ally did by pointing out something minor that one of his political opponents did.

It’s certainly true that both Cohen’s admissions and the Obama campaign did things that were “campaign finance violations” in the same way that your lifting a candy bar from a convenience store as a kid and what Bernie Madoff did are both “stealing.” Which isn’t to say that the Obama campaign’s violations weren’t serious. It’s just to note that broad legal terms can cover a variety of actions.

So what did Obama do? Well, Obama didn’t do anything, really. His campaign — Obama For America — failed to report 1,300 contributions within 48 hours as required by law. It also received some campaign contributions that exceeded allowable limits from a donor for a campaign cycle and others that had incorrect dates. In total, the contributions at issue amounted to about $2 million, and the campaign paid $375,000 in fines.

What Trump is alleged to have done is to have personally instructed his attorney to facilitate an illegal contribution by a corporation with the goal of burying a negative story before the campaign and, in another case, having that attorney make an illegal payment to hide another damaging allegation. Unlike the Obama example, Trump and Cohen then proceeded to lie about what took place for months — until Cohen’s admission in court.

Some additional context that will shed light on the difference between what Trump did and what the Obama campaign did. A few weeks after the 2016 election, the Trump campaign also paid a fine for improperly handling campaign contributions. About 1,100 donations made to Trump’s campaign violated campaign finance laws, including donations that exceeded the allowable limit in a year.

How common are such contributions? Trump’s former attorney John Dowd made contributions to Trump’s 2020 reelection bid in excess of legal limits earlier this year. Trump’s former attorney. A failure to respond to the improper donations, a Federal Election Commission letter to the Trump campaign said, “could result in enforcement action.”

On Fox News Tuesday night, Trump defender Alan Dershowitz told host Tucker Carlson that violations like the one to which Cohen admitted guilt were “regarded as kind of jaywalking in the realm of things about elections.”

“Every administration violates the election laws; every candidate violates the election laws when they run for president,” Dershowitz added. “Usually they pay a fine or something like that.”

This is the Madoff-candy-bar equation from earlier. While many campaigns do end up violating campaign finance laws, often because of the number of contributions coming in during an election, it’s by no means the case that the allegations about Trump and Cohen are run-of-the-mill. There are often violations of the law, just as there are often violations of the rules at summer camps.

That doesn’t mean, though, that horror-movie villains working their way through each cabin is just part of a standard camp experience.


WP


What the campaign of Obama's did was similar to a violation the Trump had with accepting campaign contributions which exceeded the amount allowable, he paid a fine like Obama did.


As to what Cohen admitted to yesterday and implicated Trump is a different kettle of fish altogether and you and everybody else knows it.
coldjoint
 
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Wed 22 Aug, 2018 11:58 am
@revelette1,
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Comparing Obama campaign issues with Trump's campaign violation is a false comparison . Standard operation procedure with Trump and Trumpies

Just that disqualifies the article as nothing but the same old bullshit. They have no idea how the Trump campaign was run. There is no crime that Trump can be charged with.
revelette1
 
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Wed 22 Aug, 2018 12:02 pm
@coldjoint,
Yes there is, what Cohen admitted to amounted to paying a contribution to Trump's campaign which exceeds the amount allowed. He also implicated Trump with directing it and coordinating it which makes Trump also guilty of a crime. Those violations were deliberate violations and cover-up of said violations of which Trump was a party and a director of.

As for whether he really gets indicted, he can't right now. He can be impeached and he should.
coldjoint
 
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Wed 22 Aug, 2018 12:06 pm
@revelette1,
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He can be impeached and he should.

Why wasn't Obama impeached? He did the same thing. Also Trump can deny Cohens claim and that has to be settled in court. An accusation does not prove a thing except to people obsessed with Trump not being a legitimate president, which he is.
mysteryman841
 
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Wed 22 Aug, 2018 12:08 pm
@revelette1,
So impeach him!!

But, what would that actually accomplish?
The repubs control the Senate, so there is little chance that he would be removed from office.

And how would impeaching him damage him?
Bill Clinton was impeached, and it didn't seem to damage him in any way.
revelette1
 
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Wed 22 Aug, 2018 12:10 pm
@coldjoint,
You are a waste of time if you can't even read and comprehend the relevant parts which educate you on the differences of the violations. Try reading it again and this time try to open your mind and use your logic if you have any.
revelette1
 
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Wed 22 Aug, 2018 12:12 pm
@mysteryman841,
Which is not the point, the point is he deserves to be impeached, he is a totally unethical president who does not deserve to be president. How it ends up is beside the point.
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