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hightor
 
  4  
Wed 15 Aug, 2018 07:08 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:

Oh, the ones that never condemn Antifa or their actions.

Why are liberal organizations expected to condemn every sub-set of anarchists, provos, and agiprop artists lumped into some putative "resistance"? Only the simple-minded would confuse the intentions and actions of self-styled antifa activists with the efforts of mainstream groups to wrest power through the electoral process.

And, were some mainstream "spokesman" confronted directly and asked to comment on the rally and protests he could just demure, “You also had some very fine people on both sides.”
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 15 Aug, 2018 07:20 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
“You also had some very fine people on both sides.”

There were people down there concerned about obliterating our history. I would consider them fine and patriotic people that know that is a sure way to ruin America. They were not Nazis.

Maxine Waters said to give Trump supporters a hard time. Hitting them with clubs is a hard time. Chris Cuomo says violence on the right side is permissable but he decides who is right. Does not fly. Violence does not bother the Left and never has.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 15 Aug, 2018 07:37 pm
@Real Music,
The covering up is being done by the FBI and DoJ, not by Trump. All Goebbels, all the time.
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engineer
 
  7  
Wed 15 Aug, 2018 07:53 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Brennan just got his security clearance pulled. About time. It was just announced at the presser with Sarah Sanders.

I'm pretty sure that is illegal although I doubt Brennan will go to court over it. The government cannot punish someone for public speaking, first amendment and all. That and since when does the press secretary publically announce security clearance decisions?
coldjoint wrote:

She also mentioned others whose clearance may be revoked. Good move.

Only if you consider the government threatening people as good moves.
engineer
 
  8  
Wed 15 Aug, 2018 07:57 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Brennan's conduct has been a disgrace.

Only because you disagree with him, but that doesn't mean the government can disregard the first amendment. Anyone who values the Constitution should be concerned about that.
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

In any case, why does he need the clearance?

So that his successors can consult with him. That is common practice so that the government can take advantage of experienced former administration members. It's clear that Brennan won't be working with team Trump, but that doesn't mean that his experience is not valuable.
gungasnake
 
  -3  
Wed 15 Aug, 2018 08:15 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
I'm pretty sure that is illegal


Do you take stupid pills?? Allowing members of a prior cabinet to keep security clearances is a custom and a favor granted under normal conditions. What we have been experiencing since Donald Trump won the election in 2016 is not normal at all. We've had Brennan and other deep state operatives attempting to perpetrate a kind of a slow-motion coup d'état.. There is absolutely no reason to allow a clown like that to have a top level security clearance.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 15 Aug, 2018 08:29 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
Only if you consider the government threatening people as good moves.

How about people threatening the government/Constitution by abusing power. Trump can defend the country. It is his job, and he can use any presidential power to do just that. Only an idiot would not see the overwhelming evidence Trump was set up.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Wed 15 Aug, 2018 09:53 pm
Quote:
Tucker Carlson: Networks Blasting Trump Revoking Brennan’s Clearance Are Acting Like ‘State Media’

The Left is fascist, what they do is permitted and excused because their enemy is evil. If you agree with them you are also a fascist. They hate, you hate. See how that works?
Quote:
Tonight Carlson made it clear not only that he supports the move against Brennan, but that he had flagged this issue weeks ago when he called Brennan an “extremist.”

He mocked the coverage of the move against Brennan being taken as “an unprovoked assault on American democracy,” before saying, “Journalists ought to be skeptical of the powerful. They ought to demand accountability and clear explanations from secretive bureaucrats like John Brennan and the agency he once worked for. But they are not. Instead, they have become Brennan’s faithful handmaidens.”

And then he said this:

Don’t complain, insolence is disloyalty, dissent is treason. That is the message on every other channel. That is state media, the definition of it.”
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gungasnake
 
  -2  
Wed 15 Aug, 2018 09:58 pm
John Brennan is a stupid ideologue fat piece of **** and his clearance done been pulled:

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Real Music
 
  5  
Wed 15 Aug, 2018 10:44 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
How about people threatening the government
Vladimir Putin and the Russian government already has, and continues to attack the democracy of the United States.

Quote:
Trump can defend the country. It is his job, and he can use any presidential power to do just that.
Trump might want to start defending the United States by using his constitutional powers to punish Vladimir Putin and the Russian government for attacking our democracy. Trump also might want to use his constitutional powers to fight against any future attacks on our democracy by Putin and the Russian government.

Quote:
Only an idiot would not see the overwhelming evidence Trump was set up.
Only an idiot would not see that Trump accepting the word of our adversary Putin and the Russian government over our own intelligence is treasonous.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Wed 15 Aug, 2018 10:50 pm
@Real Music,
Quote:
Vladimir Putin and the Russian government already has, and continues to attack the democracy of the United States.

They have been doing it for years and Obama did nothing about it.
Quote:
Only an idiot would not see that Trump accepting the word of our adversary Putin and the Russian government over our own intelligence is treasonous.

You repeat these morons almost word for word. Why would Trump trust people clearly out to get him?
If Trump was stupid, he would not be president. Be honest with yourself. It builds character.
Real Music
 
  6  
Wed 15 Aug, 2018 11:13 pm
Obama sanctions Russian officials over election hacking

Published Dec. 29, 2016

Quote:
WASHINGTON — Responding to evidence that Russia hacked Democratic Party officials during this year's presidential election, the Obama administration Thursday sanctioned Russian intelligence officials, expelled 35 Russian diplomats suspected of being spies and shut down two Russian facilities in the United States.

"These actions follow repeated private and public warnings that we have issued to the Russian government, and are a necessary and appropriate response to efforts to harm U.S. interests in violation of established international norms of behavior," President Obama said in a statement, describing the efforts to interfere in the election as a threat to the democratic process.

Obama also suggested that the Russians sought to affect previous elections via cyber-espionage, and that the U.S. would engage in covert retaliation activity.

The administration will soon "be providing a report to Congress in the coming days about Russia’s efforts to interfere in our election, as well as malicious cyber activity related to our election cycle in previous elections," he said.

President-elect Donald Trump — who on Wednesday said "I think we ought to get on with our lives when discussing possible sanctions" — continued to downplay the allegations but said he would meet with intelligence officials soon to get more information about Russia.

“It's time for our country to move on to bigger and better things. Nevertheless, in the interest of our country and its great people, I will meet with leaders of the intelligence community next week in order to be updated on the facts of this situation," he said in a statement issued Thursday evening.

Trump and his aides have said that Democrats are pushing the Russian hack story as part of an effort to explain away the loss by Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

The Russians, meanwhile, vowed retaliation of their own.

In addition, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and the Director of National Intelligence issued a joint statement accusing Russia of a decade-long cyber campaign targeting American government, infrastructure and citizens in general.

Obama signed an executive order outlining economic penalties for individuals and organizations involved in "tampering with, altering, or causing a misappropriation of information with the purpose or effect of interfering with or undermining election processes or institutions."

The sanctions affect "nine entities and individuals," Obama said: "The GRU and the FSB, two Russian intelligence services; four individual officers of the GRU; and three companies that provided material support to the GRU’s cyber operations."

They did not include Russian President Vladimir Putin, though Obama strongly suggested that he knew about the Russian hacking activity because "these data theft and disclosure activities could only have been directed by the highest levels of the Russian government."

Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the Russian president will develop a response to the new U.S. sanctions, and told reporters that "there is no doubt that this adequate and mirror response will make the U.S. side feel very uncomfortable as well."

Peskov said Obama pushed forward with sanctions "to further harm Russian-American ties, which are at a low point as it is, as well as, obviously, deal a blow on the foreign policy plans of the incoming administration of the president-elect.”

The Obama administration also expelled 35 Russian intelligence operatives from the U.S. and shut down two Russian compounds, in Maryland and New York, which Obama said were "used by Russian personnel for intelligence-related purposes."

Russia is likely to respond in kind by kicking out U.S. officials from its country; the U.S. has claimed that its diplomats in Russia have been harassed for years in any case.

The Russian embassy in the United Kingdom taunted the White House on Twitter Thursday, calling the penalties "lame" and saying that "everybody ... will be glad to see the last of this hapless Adm."

U.S.intelligence agencies have accused the Russians of getting involved in the election in order to help Trump win the presidency, accusations that Putin and other Russian officials have denied. These agencies are conducting a formal investigation, and Congress is likely to conduct a probe of its own.

Obama had pledged a response earlier this month and also suggested that covert activity — including U.S. cyber activity — will be included.

"These actions are not the sum total of our response to Russia’s aggressive activities," Obama said Thursday. "We will continue to take a variety of actions at a time and place of our choosing, some of which will not be publicized."

Trump harped on the email releases during his campaign against Clinton, claiming they reflected favors the secretary of State and her team did for contributors to the Clinton Foundation. Clinton backers cited Trump statements that seemed to encourage the Russians to hack Clinton herself.

Leaked emails also reflected tensions within the Democratic Party. The leaks to the resignation of Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, after emails suggested party staff favored Clinton over primary rival Bernie Sanders.

Thursday's sanctions are essentially additions of ones the Obama administration placed on Russia after it annexed the Crimea region of Ukraine.

In announcing the hacking sanctions, Obama said: "In addition to holding Russia accountable for what it has done, the United States and friends and allies around the world must work together to oppose Russia’s efforts to undermine established international norms of behavior, and interfere with democratic governance."

Lawmakers generally applauded the sanctions but said more punishment may be necessary.

Some Republicans called the penalties overdue and attributed the hacking flap to failed diplomacy by the Obama administration.

"It is an appropriate way to end eight years of failed policy with Russia," said House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis.

“Sanctions against the Russian intelligence services are a good initial step, however late in coming,” said Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. “As the next Congress reviews Russian actions against networks associated with the U.S. election, we must also work to ensure that any attack against the United States is met with an overwhelming response.”

A pair of Republican senators — John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina — described the penalties as "a small price for Russia to pay for its brazen attack on American democracy," and said they "intend to lead the effort in the new Congress to impose stronger sanctions on Russia.”

Democrats, meanwhile, warned the incoming Trump administration against tampering with the sanctions.

Incoming Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said members of Trump's team have been "far too close to Russia," and he hopes they "won’t think for one second about weakening these new sanctions or our existing regime."

He added: "Both parties ought to be united in standing up to Russian interference in our elections."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/29/barack-obama-russia-sanctions-vladimir-putin/95958472/
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Real Music
 
  6  
Wed 15 Aug, 2018 11:31 pm
Trump White House Made Secret Efforts to Remove Russia Sanctions

Published June 2, 2017

Quote:
President Donald Trump’s administration moved quickly to try and lift economic sanctions on Russia and other punishments former President Barack Obama had put in place as soon as it took office in January, according to multiple sources who have spoken with Yahoo News.

“There was serious consideration by the White House to unilaterally rescind the sanctions,” according to Dan Fried, who retired in February as Coordinator for Sanctions Policy at the State Department.

Fried told veteran investigative journalist Michael Isikoff, a former national investigative correspondent for NBC News and Newsweek alumnus, that in the early weeks of the administration he got several “panicky” calls from U.S. officials. They asked: “Please, my God, can’t you stop this?”

The sanctions in question included those imposed by Obama for Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014 and others inflicted late last year to punish Moscow for its suspected efforts to interfere in the 2016 election. The plans Trump’s administration considered early on included returning diplomatic compounds seized from Russia in late 2016—recent reports say Trump is currently working to put this plan into action.

Lifting the sanctions “would have been a win-win for Moscow,” according to Tom Malinowski who served as assistant secretary of state for democracy until inauguration day. Malinowski told Yahoo News that he heard the administration was working on a “grand bargain” with Russia.

In April, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said clearly that the U.S. would not lift sanctions on Russia until President Vladimir Putin hands Crimea back to Ukraine.

But Fried and Malinowski heard differently at the beginning of the administration. Both joined efforts to lobby Congress to bring in bipartisan legislation to prevent the rollback of sanctions.

At the beginning of this year senators Ben Cardin, ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and John McCain, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, moved to table legislation which would codify the sanctions and give Congress control of rescinding them. That bill stalled in early May after Republican Senator Bob Corker, who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, opposed it.

This week the bipartisan leaders of the Senate Banking Committee proposed their own bill to increase sanctions on Russia, hitting the country’s mining and railway industries.

In its early days, the Trump administration sought to strike a deal with Russia by seeking cooperation against the Islamic State militant group in Syria in return, two former officials said. This came in the form of a “tasking” order at the Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs within the State Department. The order asked officials to draw up a list of options, including sanctions relief and the return of the seized diplomatic buildings in Maryland and New York.

The Washington Post reported on May 26 that Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and then chief foreign policy adviser, Michael Flynn, met with Russia’s ambassador to Washington during the presidency’s transition period. Kushner reportedly attempted to set up a communications back channel with Moscow from Russian diplomatic facilities. The plan was rejected, but picked up by American intelligence in communications between Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak and his superiors.

According to leaked intelligence reports, Flynn reportedly indicated to Kislyak during a phone call during the transition that Russia could expect a review of the sanctions under the Trump administration.

“We’ve been reviewing all the sanctions—and this is not exclusive to Russia,” a senior White House official told Yahoo News. “All the sanctions regimes have mechanisms built in to alleviate them.” they said, adding they hoped “the Russians would take advantage of that” by returning Crimea to Ukraine.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-white-house-secret-efforts-lift-russia-sanctions-putin-619508
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glitterbag
 
  4  
Thu 16 Aug, 2018 12:15 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Brennan's conduct has been a disgrace.

Only because you disagree with him, but that doesn't mean the government can disregard the first amendment. Anyone who values the Constitution should be concerned about that.
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

In any case, why does he need the clearance?

So that his successors can consult with him. That is common practice so that the government can take advantage of experienced former administration members. It's clear that Brennan won't be working with team Trump, but that doesn't mean that his experience is not valuable.


Retired Chiefs of CIA, NSA and other Intell agencies really don’t use a security clearance to go in and ask for updates. Plus this initial attempt by Trump to destroy his un-sycophants really flops because it’s not like the men-in-Black show up and flash the brain erase flashy thing and blast their experience into a black hole.

Engineer is absolutely on point, it’s crucial that current Intell professionals and directors can call on retired professionals when they need background or other tidbits from folks with corporate knowledge. Apparently some folks think anyone can just come onboard with extensive background on area studies, highly skilled in several languages, wild ass experience in analytics and an ability to convey thru voice or written word crucial info to the military or any other part of government that depends on the information. The work is complex, and there are no public hoorays for you when your successful and you don’t get rich. But the people who do this work dont do it to get rich, they freaking love the challenge.......



Builder
 
  -3  
Thu 16 Aug, 2018 02:56 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Be honest with yourself. It builds character.


I often wonder just what motivates these people.

Grasping at straws seems a descriptor lacking for most of them.
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gungasnake
 
  -3  
Thu 16 Aug, 2018 03:19 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:

Quote:
Vladimir Putin and the Russian government already has, and continues to attack the democracy of the United States.



If there is any one basic idea which the LaRouche group is totally 100% correct about, it is this: between Germany, Russia, China, and Japan, there has never been any kind of a natural adversary or enemy to the United States. In real life, the closest thing that there is to a natural enemy or adversary for the United States, is England; that is, the Rothschilds and whatever else is left of the Empire upon which the sun never used to set.

Vladimir Putin is a sort of a Christian pragmatist. He plays hardball and he works for Russia and the Russian people but he is not a natural enemy to the United States. He has no ideological reason to hate Americans or the United States. He has plenty of reason to hate the deep state and their system of control which forced that sanctions bill a year ago which Donald Trump called an abomination. And he may have been involved in the scheme to take over a large segment of US uranium production including bribes to the Clinton foundation. But as far as any kind of a tally as to who has been screwed over by who the worst, Russia is still losing very badly.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, we had a golden opportunity to make an ally out of Russia and turn the biggest negative which there had been in the world for the past 70 years into a giant positive, and what happened? The Clinton regime basically turned all of the vulture capitalists loose to rape and pillage Russia for the next 12 years until Putin managed to take over. THAT is what happened.
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gungasnake
 
  -2  
Thu 16 Aug, 2018 03:28 am
Just walk away, like 40% of American blacks are now doing...

https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3889958/pg1
nimh
 
  5  
Thu 16 Aug, 2018 04:11 am
@gungasnake,
Solid sourcing there -- an anonymous forum poster claims that "Trump's approval with blacks almost 40% and climbing". Okay.
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nimh
 
  6  
Thu 16 Aug, 2018 04:23 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

I mean, what kind of a cretin could possibly want to go on being a Democrat after Bernie Sanders #walks away? I mean, exactly how stupid and pathetic would anybody have to be? I mean, even a pig would have to look down on anybody who kept on being a Democrat after Bernie Sanders #walked away.....

As your own link already pointed out, Bernie Sanders has always won office as an Independent. For decades. There's literally nothing new about him doing the same this time. Any "walking away" is a figment of your feverish imagination.
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Thu 16 Aug, 2018 04:55 am
@nimh,
nimh wrote:
As your own link already pointed out, Bernie Sanders has always won office as an Independent. For decades. There's literally nothing new about him doing the same this time. Any "walking away" is a figment of your feverish imagination.
"The longest-serving independent in congressional history" ... ... had never been a member of the Democratic Party but of the Liberty Union Party, until 1977.
 

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