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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 03:31 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
Trump and Putin

There could be a Toy Story spinoff here.

You've got a friend in me
You've got a friend in me
When the road looks rough ahead
And you're miles and miles
From your nice warm bed
You just remember what your old pal said
Boy, you've got a friend in me
Yeah, you've got a friend in me
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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 03:39 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Any of those countries have the size, population and history as the US?

No. That's why, while other nations have managed a postal service, extensive rail and highway links, medicare for the elderly, public schools, electrical generating plants and grids, widespread internet, elections etc, America has never been able to do those things.
blatham
 
  3  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 03:41 pm
@old europe,
Quote:
Yup, it's a pretty straight line from Otto von Bismarck's Health Insurance Bill of 1883 to the Holocaust. Isn't it, McGentrix?

That one got me laughing. A relatively rare occurrence these days.
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Baldimo
 
  -3  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 03:44 pm
@blatham,
How many of those socialist nations are the same size and population as the US? How many of those nations have the ethic diversity of the US?
blatham
 
  3  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 03:58 pm
jesus christ
Quote:
Joseph Stiglitz ‏@stiglitzian 2h2 hours ago
Stiglitz: "In the UK, for example, 10% of profits were returned to shareholders in 1970; this figure is now 70%."

Quote:
Joseph Stiglitz ‏@stiglitzian 2h2 hours ago
Stiglitz: "Top executives in large US corporations now take home around 300 times what the same corporation's median worker receives."
Baldimo
 
  -3  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 04:03 pm
@blatham,
What are you complaining about?
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old europe
 
  7  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 04:19 pm
@Baldimo,
That's a pretty tired argument. The European Union has a population of 510 million people, with significant diversity of major ethnic groups as well as indigenous and non-indigenous minorities - yet universal health care exists in every member nation, with the common market and the Schengen Area providing additional options for cross border health care within the EU borders.

You could argue that a system of universal healthcare might work better on a per-state basis, but that's not the argument you're making, since you're opposed to universal healthcare at the state level, too.

It seems that arguments about population size and ethnic diversity are really only a distraction for a general rejection of the concept of universal healthcare.
blatham
 
  4  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 04:30 pm
@old europe,
Quote:
since you're opposed to universal healthcare at the state level, too.

That's the tell.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 04:35 pm
@old europe,
Here's a world map of countries that provides universal health care. The US is still not on it.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/heres-a-map-of-the-countries-that-provide-universal-health-care-americas-still-not-on-it/259153/
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Baldimo
 
  -2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 04:39 pm
@old europe,
It still doesn't compare to a single nation of 350 million people from more diverse backgrounds then anything seen in all of the EU. Hell, we have as many illegal immigrants in the US as some EU countries have for their entire population.

I could agrue that, but that wold imply that I support Universal Healthcare, which I don't. If some other state wants to enact it, fine go ahead but here in CO it lost by 79%, so I would say the chance of any state passing it by the people is going to fail. The only way it would pass would be for the federal govt to go against our wishes.

Quote:
It seems that arguments about population size and ethnic diversity are really only a distraction for a general rejection of the concept of universal healthcare.

Population is a major issue for such a thing. The US would have to cover 350 million, maybe less if we leave out the illegal immigrants, people and that isn't feasible without a huge increase in taxes.
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 04:41 pm
@blatham,
Me and 79%, read that again 79% voted against it here in CO. That means me and 2 million other people didn't want more socialism in our state.
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giujohn
 
  -2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 04:53 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Damn it CI. Go back and read some of his posts. He is always putting someone down but nicely. He also lies by posting things he knows are untrue and posting parts of a post that make one look like a lair.


For as much as I don't agree with CI and we have are acrimonious back and for he does in occasion hold those if his ilk feet to the fire and I have to applaud his integrity...Unlike Rabell who has none.
layman
 
  -1  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 04:54 pm
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

You're most certainly not the only one.

Just don't tell georgeob1. He'll throw a hissy fit if you characterize a sizeable portion of Trump supporters as "undereducated."


If you do that, you're just wrong, that's all:

Quote:
Blame Trump’s Victory on College-Educated Whites, Not the Working Class

The average Trump voter is not poorly educated or unemployed, nor does he live in a rural area. Back in May, FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver punctured the myth of the “working class” being Trump’s voter base: In exit polls of 23 states from the primaries, all showed a higher median income for Trump supporters than the national average, usually around $70,000....The voters Clinton really lost—the ones she was targeting and relying on for victory—were college-educated whites. Most polling suggested she would win these voters, but she didn’t, according to exit polls.

Perhaps, then, these Trump voters are the most deplorable of them all. They’re not suffering or desperate, and have no concrete reason to hate the status quo or to feel like they are in decline. They understand that Trump is manifestly unprepared to be president, have heard his many lies and insults, yet voted for him anyway. And without them, Trump wouldn’t have won.


https://newrepublic.com/article/138754/blame-trumps-victory-college-educated-whites-not-working-class

Nice try, cheese-eater.
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old europe
 
  5  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 05:11 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
I could agrue that, but that wold imply that I support Universal Healthcare, which I don't.


I know. That was the point I was making.

Baldimo wrote:
The US would have to cover 350 million, maybe less if we leave out the illegal immigrants, people and that isn't feasible without a huge increase in taxes.


Question here, Baldimo: if you think that population numbers and ethnic diversity are relevant to whether or not you'd support universal healthcare, would you support universal healthcare on a county level in an area where the entire population shares your ethnic background?
McGentrix
 
  -2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 06:43 pm
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

That's a pretty tired argument. The European Union has a population of 510 million people, with significant diversity of major ethnic groups as well as indigenous and non-indigenous minorities - yet universal health care exists in every member nation, with the common market and the Schengen Area providing additional options for cross border health care within the EU borders.

You could argue that a system of universal healthcare might work better on a per-state basis, but that's not the argument you're making, since you're opposed to universal healthcare at the state level, too.

It seems that arguments about population size and ethnic diversity are really only a distraction for a general rejection of the concept of universal healthcare.


Go tell the UK that they are going to have France's healthcare system and see how that goes...
blatham
 
  2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 07:06 pm
A little taste of Michael Flynn's ideas (and Trump's elsewhere in this piece)
Quote:
In The Field of Fight, coauthored with Michael Ledeen, Flynn asserts that the United States is facing an “international alliance of evil countries and movements that is working to destroy us.” This “working coalition,” centered on Iran, also includes North Korea, China, Russia, Syria, Cuba, Bolivia, Venezuela, and Nicaragua. Cooperation among these countries derives from the shared hatred of the United States, which “binds together jihadis, Communists, and garden-variety tyrants.” No evidence is offered in support of this bizarre fantasy.

The United States must “energize every element of national power in a cohesive synchronized manner—similar to the effort during World War II” to fight this new “global war.” The radical Islamists, Flynn writes, “think they’re winning, and so do I.” Things are so dire, in fact, that “I’m totally convinced that, without a proper sense of urgency, we will be eventually defeated, dominated, and very likely destroyed.” So far, “our leaders in Washington, from the White House to the Pentagon to our major military headquarters, have proven they aren’t up to” fighting this war.

Iran is at the heart of Flynn’s fevered vision. The strictly limited, multilateral nuclear agreement signed in 2015 has been criticized by some for not going beyond the nuclear issue. Flynn and Ledeen transform it into a full-scale “strategic embrace of the Islamic Republic” by the United States. Focusing on the nuclear issue is, in any case, a mistake since, they argue, the goal of US policy should be regime change. Instead of invading Iraq in 2003, “our primary target should have been Tehran,…and the method should have been political—support of the internal Iranian opposition.” That this could have brought down the deeply entrenched Iranian government is another pure fantasy. But “we should at least consider how to change Iran from within, remembering that such methods brought down the Soviet Empire.” (They didn’t.)
NYRB
Yikes.
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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 07:24 pm
Just so you guys in the US don't feel too alone, I saw a stat today in a Canadian paper - the 2 wealthiest Canadians possess an equal amount of wealth to the accumulated wealth of Canada's lowest 30%.
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old europe
 
  3  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 07:33 pm
@McGentrix,
What's the point you're trying to make, McGentrix?

That you'll reject any approach to solving problems in the healthcare system if it's modeled on an approach that exists anywhere else on the planet, because it's not "All American?"

Sounds a lot like Not Invented Here Syndrome.
McGentrix
 
  -3  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 08:30 pm
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

What's the point you're trying to make, McGentrix?

That you'll reject any approach to solving problems in the healthcare system if it's modeled on an approach that exists anywhere else on the planet, because it's not "All American?"

Sounds a lot like Not Invented Here Syndrome.


The point is that the US will do things the way the US does things. We won't emulate Europe or any country in Europe. We won't do the things that others "feel" we should. If the election of Trump doesn't tell the rest of the world to back the **** off, then the rest of the world is blind and deaf to what the the US is really about.
old europe
 
  5  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 08:57 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
The point is that the US will do things the way the US does things. We won't emulate Europe or any country in Europe. We won't do the things that others "feel" we should.


Let me see if I got the gist of your argument:

It's not the American way to look for working solutions outside of American borders. Only Americans will be able to come up with American solutions that work for American people. Americans will never accept non-American solutions for American problems. Americans will build a better America for Americans with American solutions to American problems, and non-Americans can **** right off!

About right?
 

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