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@oralloy,

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Trump can still pardon everyone who is harmed by this witch hunt.

Never been a witch hunt, always been a truth hunt. Since the concept of 'truth' is foreign to Tr,ump and he only cares about his own sorry ass, he's never realized that. If he pardons Manafort and the others, that will constitute obstruction of justice. Doesn't matter if he has the power to pardon them. If he exercises that, it's clearly obstruction.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Never been a witch hunt, always been a truth hunt.

That is incorrect. When Democrats run around sending innocent people to prison because they disagree with Democratic ideology, that's a witch hunt.

MontereyJack wrote:

If he pardons Manafort and the others, that will constitute obstruction of justice. Doesn't matter if he has the power to pardon them. If he exercises that, it's clearly obstruction.

That is incorrect.

If it had been correct, that would merely mean that the obstruction statute is unconstitutional.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Trump can still pardon everyone who is harmed by this witch hunt.

only the ones whose charges are at the federal level

several sets of charges are happening at the state level, where he's got bupkis to say

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@oralloy,

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None of that can stop Trump from pardoning all of these people.

True, but it would be like finally closing the barn door after the cattle have all run away. The whole idea of pardoning, as a Trump strategy, is to prevent people from turning evidence for Mueller and other prosecutions. These people provide documents, information and eyewitness accounts. If Trump pardons them after they've done all that, it won't do Trump much good. Of course, Trump won't be president for long after they've done that.

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@oralloy,

They are pleading guilty. That means they themselves admit they're not innocent. Putin is clearly guilty according to our entire intelligence community. That means it isn't a witch hunt, however much you wish it were. And if Trump pardons them, they're not prosecutable. It however has no bearing on whether or not what they did was in fact illegal. And Trump is still doing it solely to protect himself. The Founders thought the president would act ethically. They never donsidered the Pres would be anyone as entirely amoral as Trump is when they framed the Constitution and its powers. If he pardons them, it's obstruction, no way around that.

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@Blickers,

Blickers wrote:

True, but it would be like finally closing the barn door after the cattle have all run away. The whole idea of pardoning is to prevent people from turning evidence for Mueller and other prosecutions.

No. That isn't the point of the pardons at all.

The point of pardoning them is to prevent them from being harmed by unjust criminal charges.

Blickers wrote:

These people provide documents, information and eyewitness accounts. If Trump pardons them after they've done all that, it won't do Trump much good. Of course, Trump won't be president for long after they've done that.

Trump is going to be president until 2025. The Republicans are going to hold the White House until 2037.

No testimony is going to change that.

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

several sets of charges are happening at the state level, where he's got bupkis to say

What specific charges are happening at the state level?

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@oralloy,

for one,, the Trump "charity" in NY>

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@blatham,

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

They are pleading guilty. That means they themselves admit they're not innocent.

That the Democrats bully innocent people into pleading guilty is one more reason why we need to abolish the Democratic Party.

MontereyJack wrote:

Putin is clearly guilty according to our entire intelligence community. That means it isn't a witch hunt, however much you wish it were.

When Democrats run around sending innocent people to prison merely for disagreeing with them, that's a witch hunt.

MontereyJack wrote:

And if Trump pardons them, they're not prosecutable. It however has no bearing on whether or not what they did was in fact illegal. And Trump is still doing it solely to protect himself.

No. He is doing it to protect the people that he is pardoning.

MontereyJack wrote:

If he pardons them, it's obstruction, no way around that.

No it isn't.

And if it was obstruction, that would just mean that the entire obstruction statute is unconstitutional.

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@oralloy,

Quote oralloy:

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The point of pardoning them is to prevent them from being harmed by unjust criminal charges.

Trump doesn't do things unless there is something in it for him. Note all the charities he claimed to contribute to, but didn't.

Pardons are only being discussed as a way of preventing Trump's cohorts in crime from spilling the beans to Mueller and Mueller's Grand Juries. What Gates, Felix Sater, and now Cohen has to say incriminates Trump in ridiculous amounts of illegal cooperation with the Kremlin and the Kremlin's favored oligarchs. Once these and other people have turned and given evidence to Mueller and in court, Trump's done.

Trump pardoning people who just turned on him and got him about to be removed from office to face various Federal and state charges is a theoretical possibility, but hard to imagine actually occurring.

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@oralloy,

vfor one, the Trump "charity" in NY, for, if I[url]I remember corredtly, for self-dealing and using charitable funds to pay off Trump legal bills aamong other charges.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

for one, the Trump "charity" in NY, for, if I remember correctly, for self-dealing and using charitable funds to pay off Trump legal bills among other charges.

Is anyone facing any prison sentences over that?

Last I heard they were just trying to levy a fine against the charity or close it down.

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@ehBeth,

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5a8fe95daae6051d008b4592-960-644.jpg

Do not worry our hero will save the day. Laughing

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@Blickers,

Blickers wrote:

Pardons are only being discussed as a way of preventing Trump's cohorts in crime from spilling the beans to Mueller and Mueller's Grand Juries. As what they have to say incriminates Trump in ridiculous amounts of illegal cooperation with the Kremlin and the Kremlin's favored oligarchs, once the people have turned and given evidence to Mueller and in court, Trump's done.

Trump pardoning people who just turned on him and got him about to be removed from office to face various Federal and state charges is a theoretical possibility, but hard to imagine actually occurring.

There is no reason to think that any of this testimony will reveal any sort of collusion at all.

But even if it did, there would be nothing even remotely illegal about such hypothetical collusion.

And even if this hypothetical collusion were somehow illegal, the Republicans will never go along with removing a Republican president after the Democrats said it was OK for Bill Clinton to commit all those felonies.

So Trump is in no danger from any of this.

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@Blickers,

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Once these and other people have turned and given evidence to Mueller and in court, Trump's done.

No he is not. None of what they might know will rise to any impeachable offense. If they had that kind of information it would be out before the midterms, which in reality shows what they have is **** and shoved in it.

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@coldjoint,

It s called building a case. Mueller is and no one knows the end point except muellierd team.Meanwhile the Cohen taped are exposing more trump lies. The man is thoroughly bent.

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@MontereyJack,

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the Cohen taped are exposing more trump lies.

What lies? The tape says nothing. Nothing illegal there except Cohen recording conversations.

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@ehBeth,

That's very good!

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Muslim body condemns Prophet Muhammad cartoon contest

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“Freedom of speech does not mean hurting someone's feelings…,” Al-Othaimeen said, voicing concern over the event.

Oh yes it does. This is an attempt to enforce Sharia. It should not be tolerated. They can enforce their laws in the countries that are Islamic. The Netherlands is not one of those.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/muslim-body-condemns-prophet-muhammad-cartoon-contest/1212502

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