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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 05:27 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Frankly I see little evidence that contemporary elites know much of classical literature.

Just not like the old elites. Those were the good elites.
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blatham
 
  1  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 05:28 am
@tony5732,
Quote:
It isn't me blath, I been afk.

Yup. I know.
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blatham
 
  4  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 05:36 am
Quote:
The president-elect’s favorable comments about President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and the conclusion of United States intelligence officials that Moscow acted to help Mr. Trump’s campaign have focused attention on Mr. Trump’s business interests in Russia. Asked about the issue at his news conference last week, Mr. Trump was emphatic on one point: “I have no dealings with Russia.” And he repeated, “I have no deals that could happen in Russia because we’ve stayed away.”

...Mr. Trump repeatedly sought business in Russia as far back as 1987, when he traveled there to explore building a hotel. He applied for his trademark in the country as early as 1996. And his children and associates have appeared in Moscow over and over in search of joint ventures, meeting with developers and government officials.
NYT

What the heck. Does it even matter if the president lies all the time?
layman
 
  -3  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 05:39 am
@blatham,
Fool. His kids didn't go there looking for "joint ventures." They were just acting as bagmen delivering cash to Putin for his hacking services.
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layman
 
  -2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 05:47 am
@blatham,
Hmmmm....sez here:

Quote:
As the Russian market opened up in the post-Soviet era, Mr. Trump and his partners pursued Russians who were newly flush with cash to buy apartments in Trump Towers in New York and Florida...

Seeking deals in Russia became part of a broader strategy to expand the Trump brand worldwide. By the mid-2000s, Mr. Trump was transitioning to mostly licensing his name to hotel, condominium and commercial towers rather than building or investing in real estate himself. He discovered that his name was especially attractive in developing countries where the rising rich aspired to the type of ritzy glamour he personified.


He was playin them for chumps, sure. Who wouldn't? But conning them into buyin his **** aint exactly doing business in Russia, eh?

Just wait until Trump starts "doing business" with Russia on behalf of the American people, eh? I pity the fools.
Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 05:55 am
@layman,
"The executive vice president of Development and Acquisitions for the Trump Organization, Donald Trump Jr." said in 2008
Quote:
For Trump, Russia is the emerging market worth investing in currently, however in caveat into the high-end sector he counts on his international experience in the market. Trump said: “The emerging world in general attributes such brand premium to real estate that we are looking all over the place, primarily Russia. ...
[...]
If he were to choose his top A-list for investments in the emerging world, Trump said his firm would choose China and Russia. “Given what I’ve seen in Russia’s real estate market as of late relative to some of the emerging markets, the country seems to have a lot more natural strength, especially in the high-end sector where people focus on price per square-meter,” he said.

“In Russia, I really prefer Moscow over all cities in the world. Unlike other countries in the world, this country has five major cities where people would at least be happy being close to living in the metro.

“In Russia, if one has made money anywhere in the country, you would want your place in Moscow.”
[...]
However, to a certain degree, some US investors have had concerns over Russia. “Well, that’s happening, too. After spending half a dozen trips to Russia in the last 18 months, several buyers have been attracted to our projects there and everything associated therewith.

... ... ...
Olivier5
 
  2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 05:56 am
@layman,
Hitchens has alway been a fool, from day one. Pretentious too. He would of course feel threatened by Moore's Farenheit.
layman
 
  -1  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 06:01 am
@Olivier5,
Well, Ollie, I'll give you credit. At least you obediently adhere to the commie party line. If ya aint that smart, at least you're smart enough not to get kicked clean out of the Party, eh?
blatham
 
  2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 06:08 am
@Olivier5,
I have no idea what layman said but I certainly don't agree with you that Hitchens was a fool. He was an incredibly bright and educated guy. He fell afoul of many on the left when he took a seriously critical position on Islam but that was much less a political matter for him than it was a continuation of his cutting criticisms of religions and religious behavior.

In debate, he was never crude nor dismissive of others (or if he was dismissive, it was done with with wit and the targets usually deserved it). He was never, that I ever saw, stupidly rude in the manner of, say, Dershowitz. There are dozens of videos on youtube of him in debate or discussion with others and any one of them is highly worthwhile. I miss this guy a lot.
layman
 
  -2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 06:09 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Speaking at a 2008 Manhattan real estate conference, [Trump's kid] confessed to fears of doing business in Russia, saying there is “an issue of ‘Will I ever see my money back out of that deal or can I actually trust the person I am doing the deal with?’”

When asked about Mr. Trump’s claim that he had “stayed away” from Russia, Alan Garten, general counsel for the Trump Organization, said it was a fair characterization given that none of the development opportunities ever materialized.


Trump just wouldn't invest IN Russia. He know what kinda lyin scum them Ruskies are, eh?
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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 06:20 am
Does this sound familiar?
Quote:
With Tape Excerpts Making Daily Headlines, Netanyahu Launches Pathetic Attack on Media
He was the speaker on the tapes, he's the suspct and it was the attorney general who decided to launch investigations, but for Netanyahu, the media is to blame.
Ha'aretz

This is the way authoritarians behave. It's how Nixon behaved. It's how Putin behaves. It's how Trump behaves. It's absolutely predictable and it is a key signature of this sort of personality when in office.
layman
 
  -1  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 06:25 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Does this sound familiar?
He was the speaker on the tapes, he's the suspct and it was the attorney general who decided to launch investigations, but for Netanyahu, the media is to blame.

This is the way authoritarians behave.


Now that you bring it up, yeah, it is authoritarian, and it DOES indeed sound familiar.

It's just like Podesta, Clinton, and Obama, blaming wiki leaks for the contents of their own records, sho nuff.
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Frugal1
 
  -3  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 06:38 am


The Radical Left’s Plans to Sabotage the Inauguration
blatham
 
  1  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 06:39 am
In Colorado, a GOP congressman held a townhall to discuss the ACA. He expected a handful but 150 showed up to petition him to not support repeal. He didn't handle this well, saw only a few and skipped out the back door early.

There's going to be a lot of this as Dems and supporting organizations are now organizing large and loud protests across the US on this. It's really the Tea Party strategy but used in the other direction. Betcha FOX doesn't match coverage of these with what they did previously.
blatham
 
  1  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 06:42 am
Paul Waldman writes:
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Scott Clement reports on a new Washington Post/ABC News poll showing that 74 percent of Americans think Trump should release his tax returns, and 41 percent say they care about it a lot. But Trump said no one cares about this but the media! Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth? Nah.
Link to the Clement piece and polling
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layman
 
  -2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 06:47 am
@Frugal1,
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Left wing thugs are planning to sabotage President-elect Donald Trump’s inauguration festivities. An umbrella organization, #DisruptJ20, also known as the DC Counter-Inaugural Welcoming Committee, describes its mission as “building the framework needed for mass protests to shut down the inauguration of Donald Trump and planning widespread direct actions to make that happen.”

A related group calling itself the “Anti-Capitalist & Anti-Fascist Bloc” is seeking to mobilize thousands of comrades, in its own words, “to disrupt Trump’s inauguration....It warns those people coming to Washington to celebrate the peaceful transfer of power in this country to expect instead to “find the inaugural ceremonies reduced to a total clusterfuck” That could well include property damage and attempts to goad the police into confrontations that the organizers of the disruptive protests would gleefully exploit.


Not to worry. "Bikers for Trump" have already announced their intentions to show up in force and kick some commie ass, eh?
blatham
 
  2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 07:02 am
This, from Kevin Drum, tells us a revealing story of how particular version of propaganda works.
Quote:
Obamacare is popular unless you call it "Obamacare." If you call it Kynect, its negatives drop. If you call it the Affordable Care Act, its negatives drop. If you ask about the actual things it does, virtually every provision is popular among Democrats and Republicans alike. Even Obamacare's taxes on the rich, which are fairly modest, are popular. Aside from the individual mandate, the only truly unpopular part of Obamacare is the name "Obamacare." (And even that's only unpopular among Republicans.)
MotherJones

The technique here is to use language to do a lot of the work. Frank Luntz is a master at this. The precedent example here was "Hillarycare", the label the right put on Hillary Clinton's project to get healthcare and insurance to more Americans after Bill won the election. In that case, the complimentary messaging was that she had no electoral mandate from anyone so why was she even involved at all? She was inappropriately inserting herself into government. The right personalized the program by using her name (and there was a gender component in how they did this back then - what's a woman doing in this anyway?). The use of "Obamacare" was just a duplication of that earlier strategy. If you can personalize a program initiative in this way, it can be more easily made to sound like something arbitrary and emotionally-based and illegitimate.

Then, it's just a matter of pounding it over and over and over, laying in whatever negative notions and connotations you can come up with.

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layman
 
  -2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 07:09 am
@layman,
I pity the commie fools.

Quote:
Bikers from all over the country are headed to DC for the Trump inauguration. They vow to stop any protesters who use violence. The 1st amendment guarantees the right to PEACEFULLY assemble. It DOES NOT guarantee the right to riot or vandalize property.


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Olivier5
 
  2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 07:15 am
@layman,
Dude, you should know better than that. I've always been anti-communist, and anti-conformist too. One of the reasons I loath Hitchens is his utterly conformist and narrow-minded attitude to religion.

But if you want to score cheap brownie points with your comrades, who am I to stop you?
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Olivier5
 
  2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 07:22 am
@blatham,
You are entitled to your opinion on Hitchens. To me, the guy always sounded like a pretentious idiot. His support to the Iraq war did not come as a surprise, I knew the type.

I consider Michael Moore faaaaar smarter, perceptive, and socially useful than Hitchens ever was.
 

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