@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote Finn:
Quote:While I tend to agree with your basic position that,in seizing the Crimea, Russia's violation of the sovereign rights of the Ukraine had nothing to do coming to the rescue of ethnic Russians living in the area or a long established territorial claim, your argument in support of it is weak.
Do you contend that the Russian government in 1991 was a model of truth and morality, and/or that's its foreign policy decisions bound all future Russian governments for all time?
Well, if you are going to take back some land you gave away to Ukraine 60 years ago based on a territorial claim, the time to make that claim is when the place you gave the land to secedes from your country. Russian apologists are always claiming that the Crimea supposedly always belonged to Russia, and Russia was the center of the Soviet Union, so when the Crimea was given from Russia to Ukraine, it still remained in the same country Russia was in. But when Ukraine left the Soviet Union taking the Crimea with it, for the first time Crimea was separate from Russia. That's the Russian argument.
I feel it is a strong argument to point out that if Russia wished to advance this argument, then it should have brought it up when Ukraine left the Soviet Union in 1991. Russia might well have felt that militarily it couldn't prevent Ukraine from leaving, but if Russia felt at the time that Ukraine had no right to take Crimea with it then it shouldn't have been the first country to endorse the notion of a free, independent Ukraine. Logically, Russia should have said, "We endorse the idea that Ukraine is now a separate country no longer under the influence of the Soviet Union, but we don't endorse you taking the Crimea away from us". Instead, Russia was the first country to jump on the hooray-for-independent-ukraine bandwagon, then 60 years later takes it back by force of arms. That makes no sense-if you have a territorial claim you make it immediately and hold the claim until it gets resolved one way or another.