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lmur
 
  1  
Sat 26 May, 2018 05:10 pm
@Real Music,
An improvement.
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Lash
 
  0  
Sat 26 May, 2018 07:23 pm
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/05/26/asia/kim-jong-un-moon-jae-in-korea-intl/index.html

De-nuking is cool again in NK.
revelette1
 
  2  
Sun 27 May, 2018 07:28 am
Quote:
Mr. Moon said that Mr. Kim told him he wanted to go though with his planned summit meeting with Mr. Trump, and to make it a success. The Trump-Kim meeting, which would be the first between the heads of state of the United States and North Korea, had been scheduled for June 12 in Singapore, but was abruptly canceled on Thursday by Mr. Trump.

Mr. Trump said he was pulling out of the meeting, citing “tremendous anger and open hostility” from North Korea. But a day later, the American president said he was reconsidering and that it may still take place as scheduled.

Mr. Moon said the biggest challenge to holding the summit meeting was overcoming the lack of trust between North Korea and the United States, two countries that have viewed each other as threats since the end of the Korean War in 1953.

“Chairman Kim once again clearly expressed his firm commitment to a complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula,” Mr. Moon said. “What is not so clear to him is how firmly he can trust the United States’ commitment to ending hostile relations and providing security guarantees for his government should it denuclearize.”

Mr. Moon said that North Korea and the United States will soon start working-level talks to help narrow the gap between the two sides. He said the results of those talks will help determine whether a summit between Mr. Kim and Mr. Trump will take place and, if so, whether it will be successful.


NYT
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revelette1
 
  4  
Sun 27 May, 2018 08:02 am
Mr. Moon and the leader of NK met Saturday to try and rescue the meeting between the US and NK. Trump started on Saturday to rant on Twitter about the Russian Probe and continued today. As the leader of the United States he should welcome this probe into a hostile nation interfering in our elections and even into his own campaign. But all he has been worried about is how it might make him seem he had help with the election and his friends going home (or to jail)in tatters.

Quote:
President Trump on Sunday said the investigation into Russia's election interference has "destroyed" and "devastated" lives.

"Who's going to give back the young and beautiful lives (and others) that have been devastated and destroyed by the phony Russia Collusion Witch Hunt?" the president wrote on Twitter.

"They journeyed down to Washington, D.C., with stars in their eyes and wanting to help our nation...They went back home in tatters!"

The president did not specify whom he was referring to, but he has repeatedly referred to the Russia probe as a "witch hunt."

Trump has recently accused the FBI of using an informant to spy on his 2016 presidential campaign, though no evidence has emerged to support the president's assertion.

News reports show that an FBI informant met with three campaign advisors to Trump.

The president has also said the Russia investigation is an "excuse" for the Democrats' loss in the 2016 election.

"This whole Russia Probe is Rigged. Just an excuse as to why the Dems and Crooked Hillary lost the Election and States that haven't been lost in decades," Trump said Saturday.

"13 Angry Democrats, and all Dems if you include the people who worked for Obama for 8 years. #SPYGATE & CONFLICTS OF INTEREST!"


The Hill
Blickers
 
  5  
Sun 27 May, 2018 08:09 am
@revelette1,
Quote Trump via Twitter:
Quote:
Who's going to give back the young and beautiful lives (and others) that have been devastated and destroyed by the phony Russia Collusion Witch Hunt?
Maybe those poor sweet innocents should have thought about that before they started meeting Russian officials and oligarchs in secret and lying about it to investigative agencies.

By the way, what the hell was Russian Ambassador Sergei Kisylak doing at the Republican National Convention that nominated Trump? Before Trump, I've never heard of such a thing.
izzythepush
 
  4  
Sun 27 May, 2018 08:17 am
@Lash,
NK may still want to talk, like they have for the past twenty odd years, but they're not going to give up their nukes.
revelette1
 
  2  
Sun 27 May, 2018 08:22 am
@izzythepush,
I have to hope they do, but they won't unless they get some heavy reassurance from us. I don't know what that reassurance would be. Trump negotiating methods seems to be "mine way or the highway." Not sure he or any of the hardliners would be willing to go as far as NK might want.
georgeob1
 
  -3  
Sun 27 May, 2018 09:00 am
@revelette1,
Are you advocating more of our past, failed, strategies with North Korea? A little thought on our history with this regime should convince you of the folly in that,

President Clinton gave "heavy" and costly (to us) reassurances to North Korea and got nothing at all for it .Later President Obama gave even more expensive reassurances to Iran and got nothing for that . (Its agent Hezbollah continued its operations throughout the Mideast and Iran continued its missile and weapons developments.)

Apparently "reassurances" alone aren't very effective with authoritarian dictators. Moreover a strategy based on bribes and payoffs from rich opponents clearly yield only contempt and increasing threats from authoritarian bullies.

We now have very severe sanctions in place with North Korea, which are materially reducing Kim's ability to finance and retain the loyalty of the party and military cadres who preserve his rule. Meanwhile, in this information age, facts about the free world outside are leaking in to the isolated country also undermining the propaganda pillar of his regime. He now knows that any treats to use nuclear weapons on his part will be net with quick military response. Time is now on our side in this struggle.


revelette1
 
  4  
Sun 27 May, 2018 09:13 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
.Later President Obama gave even more expensive reassurances to Iran and got nothing for that . (Its agent Hezbollah continued its operations throughout the Mideast and Iran continued its missile and weapons developments.)



Quote:
How has the nuclear deal been implemented?

By most accounts, Iran has complied with its nuclear obligations under the deal. According to the State Department, Iran has put 19,000 centrifuges in storage and under international scrutiny. It has shipped out 98 percent of its low-enriched uranium. It has also opened up nuclear facilities to international inspectors.

The goal of this was to make sure Iran wouldn't be able to rush to develop a nuclear bomb. Before the deal went into effect, Iran was weeks or months away from having enough material for a bomb. Now, experts believe Iran is a year away from that. Critics worry that these restrictions are temporary and will mostly disappear after 10 to 15 years.

NPR

In any event, NK is not going to denuclearize until the US gives them the assurances they want. Why would they?
Lash
 
  -1  
Sun 27 May, 2018 09:20 am
@revelette1,
If the assurance is not to kill Kim or exert for regime change, I think we should do that.
revelette1
 
  2  
Sun 27 May, 2018 09:25 am
@Lash,
I guess, not really sure. There must have been some sticking point in the talks and some assurance NK was not getting which made him lash out at which point Trump got mad and cancelled the summit.
Lash
 
  -1  
Sun 27 May, 2018 09:31 am
@revelette1,
The problem is Bolton said some stupid **** on Face the Nation that threatened Kim’s life.
izzythepush
 
  5  
Sun 27 May, 2018 09:35 am
@revelette1,
Iran stuck to it's part of the deal. Independent monitors have confirmed as much. Hezbollah was never part of the deal, just an excuse for right wing American extremists to welsh on the deal.

Why is Iran being singled out and not Saudi Arabia? They're both interfering in other country's government. The Saudis are helping the government in Yemen and the rebels in Syria while Iran is helping the rebels in Yemen and the government in Syria. They're both as bad as each other. Yet the Saudi's can do no wrong in Trump's eyes.

Btw, neither Hezbollah nor Iran had anything to do with 9/11, but the Saudis' paw prints were all over it.
georgeob1
 
  0  
Sun 27 May, 2018 09:41 am
@revelette1,
The point of such negotiations is the achievement of a desired outcome; not merely an agreement. As I outlined, we've had agreements with North Korea before involving substantial payments and concessions from us and got nothing from it - certainly none of the reassurances we were given during the negotiations.

Trump's approach, combining severe sanctions and an offer to talk over the conditions for releasing them, is far more likely to deliver a favorable outcome than past, failed strategies.

Kim and his predecessors in North Korea are riding a tiger and they know it - It's hard to stay on in power, but even more dangerous to themselves to ever release it. Meanwhile China prefers a passive neighbor, dependent on it, to a vibrant and free economic power like South Korea. As a result it will continue to support Kim until the costs and risks to them become too great, or Kim's rule in North Korea starts to unravel.

It appears Trump's strategy is directed at both elements of the problem. The direct talks with North Korea are only a small part of a larger strategy.
Lash
 
  -1  
Sun 27 May, 2018 09:42 am
@izzythepush,
Our country has had a disgusting highly profitable relationship with Saudi since before Trump had pubes.
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revelette1
 
  2  
Sun 27 May, 2018 09:44 am
@Lash,
Oh, didn't watch. Could be.
Lash
 
  -1  
Sun 27 May, 2018 09:44 am
@georgeob1,

Quote:
Trump's approach, combining severe sanctions and an offer to talk over the conditions for releasing them, is far more likely to deliver a favorable outcome than past, failed strategies.

Kim and his predecessors in North Korea are riding a tiger and they know it - It's hard to stay on in power, but even more dangerous to themselves to ever release it.


Good summary.
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revelette1
 
  3  
Sun 27 May, 2018 09:46 am
@georgeob1,
Well, clearly you give much credit for smarts than I do, not a big surprise, but Trump seems pretty simple minded, doubt he thinks like that. Not sure you are even right, out of my league. Seems like a lot of conjecture on your part.
Lash
 
  -1  
Sun 27 May, 2018 09:48 am
@revelette1,
It’s been talked about here and reported pretty widely. Trying to imagine how anyone with an opinion on the subject could have missed it.

If you’d like a relevant fact to add to your opinionating, google ‘Libyan model Bolton’.
 

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