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revelette1
 
  3  
Fri 4 May, 2018 06:29 am
@Blickers,
Thank you. You always seem to know all the specifics of relevant facts and are able to explain in such a way that it is not complicated (for me)to understand.
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revelette1
 
  3  
Fri 4 May, 2018 06:55 am
Quote:
Trump's new 'Stormy' story stuns many in West Wing

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump insisted Thursday his reimbursement of a 2016 hush payment to porn actress Stormy Daniels had nothing to do with his election campaign. But the surprise revelation of the president's payment clashed with his past statements, created new legal headaches and stunned many in the West Wing.

White House aides were blindsided when Trump's recently added attorney, Rudy Giuliani, said Wednesday night that the president had repaid Michael Cohen for $130,000 that was given to Daniels to keep her quiet before the 2016 election about her allegations of an affair with Trump. Giuliani's revelation, which seemed to contradict Trump's past statements, came as the president's newly configured outside legal team pursued his defense, apparently with zero coordination with the West Wing.

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said she first learned that Trump had repaid the hush money from Giuliani's interview on Fox News Channel's "Hannity." Staffers' phones began to buzz within moments. Deputy press secretary Hogan Gidley, who had pre-taped an interview with Fox News earlier Wednesday evening, was suddenly summoned to return for a live interview.

While Giuliani said the payment to Daniels was "going to turn out to be perfectly legal," legal experts said the new information raised a number of questions, including whether the money represented repayment of an undisclosed loan or could be seen as reimbursement for a campaign expenditure. Either could be legally problematic.

Giuliani insisted Trump didn't know the specifics of Cohen's arrangement with Daniels until recently, telling "Fox & Friends" on Thursday that the president didn't know all the details until "maybe 10 days ago." Giuliani told The New York Times that Trump had repaid Cohen $35,000 a month "out of his personal family account" after the campaign was over. He said Cohen received $460,000 or $470,000 in all for expenses related to Trump.

But no debt to Cohen was listed on Trump's personal financial disclosure form, which was certified on June 16, 2017. Asked if Trump had filed a fraudulent form, Sanders said: "I don't know."

Giuliani said the payment was not a campaign finance violation, but also acknowledged that Daniels' hushed-up allegations could have affected the campaign, saying: "Imagine if that came out on October 15, 2016, in the middle of the last debate with Hillary Clinton."


AP

More at the source above.

Yesterday everything came so fast and furious that I was having a bit of a time picking out the relevant facts and making sense of this whole reimbursement thing.

So Giuliani claims Trump didn't know the money he was paying Cohen $35,000 a month (which started right after the campaign) for expenses went towards reimbursement towards the hush money until about ten ago. Yet he said on April 5, 2018 on Air Force he didn't know where the money came from in which Cohen paid hush money to Stormy Davis. That is one lie from Trump easily proved. Also Giuliani claimed the money Trump was paying Cohen for out of his personal family money was just for expenses Trump somehow owed. Yet those expenses were not listed on Trump's personal financial disclosure form, which was certified on June 16, 2017. So another discrepancy.

I think they would have done better to have waited until the facts came out and made sure they had all their I's dotted and their T's crossed.

revelette1
 
  2  
Fri 4 May, 2018 07:01 am
Quote:
Trump attacks NBC after Cohen wiretap story correction

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump is attacking NBC News after it corrected a story that said federal investigators had placed a wiretap on the phone lines of Trump's personal attorney, Michael Cohen.

Trump says on Twitter Friday: "NBC NEWS is wrong again! They cite 'sources' which are constantly wrong." Trump tweeted: "the sources probably don't exist, they are fabricated, fiction! NBC, my former home with the Apprentice, is now as bad as Fake News CNN. Sad!"

NBC News attributed its story Thursday to two anonymous sources with knowledge of legal proceedings against Cohen. In its correction, the network said it subsequently learned that the feds were only monitoring the source of calls and weren't listening in.

Trump has frequently criticized the media for "fake news" involving stories he doesn't like.


AP
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revelette1
 
  3  
Fri 4 May, 2018 07:32 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
So Giuliani claims Trump didn't know the money he was paying Cohen $35,000 a month (which started right after the campaign) for expenses went towards reimbursement towards the hush money until about ten ago. Yet he said on April 5, 2018 on Air Force he didn't know where the money came from in which Cohen paid hush money to Stormy Davis.


Actually according to their 'story' Trump would have learned where the money came from in which Cohen paid the hush money it would have been around April 28,2018. So their stories on this one match up. Embarrassed Thought about it after I got off here and realized I made a dumb mistake.
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ehBeth
 
  3  
Fri 4 May, 2018 08:01 am
https://www.vox.com/2018/5/3/17315900/trump-stormy-daniels-rudy-giuliani-michel-cohen-timeline
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 4 May, 2018 08:19 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
I'm giving specific reasons as to why you're a Nazi.

Typical liberal. Anyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi.


izzythepush wrote:
and like most bigots you're quite dim witted.

I'm actually trillions of times smarter than you are.

The bigotry too is all yours.


izzythepush wrote:
Because you lack the wherewithal to argue against any points made

You didn't make any points. You merely said that anyone who posts facts that you don't like is a Nazi.


izzythepush wrote:
Instead of reproducing others thoughts why not get the person who does your thinking for you

You are confused. Blatham is the one who always relies on the thoughts of other people instead of thinking for himself.


izzythepush wrote:
I don't throw the term Nazi around lightly, only at actual Nazis.

Poor little liberal can't do anything but call people Nazis.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 4 May, 2018 09:36 am
@oralloy,

Quote:
Poor little liberal can't do anything but call people Nazis.


In the UK they can arrest you for what you say, even if it ts factual and true. Izzy lives where the Nazis are already in power.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Fri 4 May, 2018 10:24 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
In the UK they can arrest you for what you say
You certainly can quote the relevant laws (Scottish law is different to the law in England and Wales and the law in Northern Ireland).

coldjoint wrote:
Izzy lives where the Nazis are already in power.
I am quite sure that where Izzy lives, the Conservative Party forms the government from 2010 onwards (Cameron–Clegg coalition, Second Cameron ministry, First May ministry, Second May ministry).
Do you call just the PM's Nazis, or their cabinet ministers, or their full government (going down over junior ministers to personal secretaries), or the Conservative Party in its entirety?
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Fri 4 May, 2018 10:27 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Do you call just the PM's Nazis, or their cabinet ministers, or their full government


Yes I did Wally, you are so astute.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Fri 4 May, 2018 10:35 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Yes I did
So the Conservative Party is a "Nazi-" Party.

How do you call the National Action, the National Socialist Movement, the Northern League, the ... ... ...?
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 4 May, 2018 10:39 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
So the Conservative Party is a "Nazi-" Party.


Any government that arrests people for free speech and the parties that make up that government are Nazis, IMO. What you think is irrelevant to what is actually going on.
revelette1
 
  4  
Fri 4 May, 2018 10:42 am
Quote:
Trump Undercuts Giuliani About Payments to Stormy Daniels

WASHINGTON — President Trump undercut his attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani, on Friday, and said the former New York mayor will eventually get the facts right regarding a payment to a pornographic actress who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump.

Everything “has been said incorrectly,” Mr. Trump said, blaming the media coverage and Mr. Giuliani’s short time on the job.

Mr. Giuliani, who joined Mr. Trump’s legal team last month, “started a day ago,” Mr. Trump said, speaking to reporters on Friday as he left Washington to attend a National Rifle Association convention in Dallas.


NYT
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 4 May, 2018 10:45 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
Trump Undercuts Giuliani About Payments to Stormy Daniels


Is that an impeachable offense? Yes or no?
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Fri 4 May, 2018 10:46 am
@coldjoint,
Fine. I'm sure the honourable ladies and gentlemen in that conservative will disagree, but never mind.

You forgot to enlighten me about what I've asked in that response:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
How do you call the National Action, the National Socialist Movement, the Northern League, the ... ... ...?
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 4 May, 2018 10:54 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
You forgot to enlighten me about what I've asked in that response:


Put your thinking cap on Wally, I said any party that is in that government is complicit and therefore IMO Nazis. Pay attention to what is said.
revelette1
 
  3  
Fri 4 May, 2018 10:55 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Is that an impeachable offense? Yes or no?


No, from what I understand, unless it was in campaign law violation which it could be. But just lying and changing stories and covering up about an affair is not an impeachable offense in my opinion. It just makes him look as a crooked lying cheat as he called anybody else. (Of which I don't concede but don't want to argue about.)
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Fri 4 May, 2018 10:58 am
@revelette1,
Quote:

No, from what I understand, unless it was in campaign law violation which it could be.


Do you understand Obama's campaign paid a fine for the same crime? And quite a bit more money was involved. More double standards, or more abuse of power, no, both.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 4 May, 2018 11:03 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Put your thinking cap on Wally, I said any party that is in that government is complicit and therefore IMO Nazis. Pay attention to what is said.
I did understand.
The Conservative Party forms the government since 2010. (The Liberal Democrats were in the coalition government between 2010 and 2015 as the minor partner.)
Those parties I ask, have never been Parliament but are political parties/groups.
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revelette1
 
  4  
Fri 4 May, 2018 11:10 am
@coldjoint,
OK, perhaps campaign violation and impeachment are a bit of a stretch. However, none of Obama's were involved with hush money to try and cover up something. Most looked like honest errors. Moreover, Trump is a still a crooked lying cheat so he is no better than you or any other person calling Hillary the same.

Quote:
For critics of the Obama campaign, the audit was a reminder of other reporting errors by the 2008 effort, which campaign officials said they tried to correct in real-time. But independent experts, including former FEC commissioner Michael Toner, said after the audit was released that the infractions were relatively minor, given the scope of the campaign.


https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/obama-2008-campaign-fined-375000-085784
 

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