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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
blatham
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 01:49 pm
@wmwcjr,
That's a great post, wm. Thank you.
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blatham
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 02:03 pm
As I noted earlier...
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If Bezos hadn't bought the Washington Post a few years ago, Trump would have as much interest in Amazon's warehouse work conditions as he has demonstrated regarding the work conditions at Walmart or Home Depot or Cosco etc etc - which is, no interest whatsoever.

And we can safely add...

If Trump and right wing media were not on a vengeance campaign against the reporting done by the Washington Post, Lash would have written posts on the Amazon workplace precisely this number of times...0.

But shucks, perhaps I'm wrong. She may have written scads of posts on this matter prior to Trump's attacks on media generally and the WP specifically.

And shucks, perhaps she might now even point us to those posts (or the relevant ones on Walmart, or any others).

I have her on ignore so if she does such a thing, could someone please let me know.
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hightor
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 02:29 pm
@coldjoint,
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Almost 100% negative coverage of a president cannot be good for the country.

Almost 100% negative activity by the president can't be that good for the country. If Trump behaved more like a president and less like a twit he might actually get better media coverage. Every day provides examples — yesterday he was going to militarize the southern border. Until his staff had to walk back the threat because apparently Trump doesn't understand the law. How is the media supposed to turn that sort of ignorance into anything positive?
revelette1
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 02:32 pm
@hightor,
Exactly.
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coldjoint
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 02:38 pm
@hightor,
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Almost 100% negative activity by the president can't be that good for the country.


Who says it is negative activity? The news is responsible for facts not opinions.

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yesterday he was going to militarize the southern border.

Obama and Bush did it, why can't Trump? Do you know the history of our military on our border? Check out 1919.

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By spring 1919, approximately 18,500 US Army soldiers (6,000 cavalry,
8,500 infantry, and 4,000 artillery) were positioned either on the border
or within easy striking distance.


Mexico was a security risk then, and it is now.
http://www.armyupress.army.mil/Portals/7/combat-studies-institute/csi-books/Matthews_op22.pdf
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 02:55 pm
@engineer,
I missed your response, I didn't mean to ignore it. It's sometimes tough to keep up with this thread.

You wrote:
Since when do we question a strangers professed faith? None of us personally know the former President...


First of all, you failed to include in your quote of my comment the part where I wrote I don't care whether or not he is a Christian, any more than I cared whether or not he was born in America. Perhaps I needed to reiterate several comments I've made over the years about his origins: I never cared whether or not he was born in America. I think the provision requiring a president to be a native-born citizen is outdated and of no value. Having been born in Kenya or Indonesia would not have made him a better president in my view and it would have been a silly way to deprive him of his clear election victory if it could have been proven. The only importance his birthplace could have to me would center on his honesty, which is the only importance the nature his faith has.

Secondly, it's silly to refer to him as a stranger. I know more about him (in part due to his own autobiographical books) than I do the vast majority of my fellow Americans. He wanted me to know about his life: His origins, his parents, his grandparents, his schooling, his athletics, many of his likes and dislikes, most of his opinions on everything from policy to movies, and his faith.

I can't see any reason at all to question a stranger's faith, but as I think I just made clear, Obama is not a stranger to me or anyone else in America and most of the world.

As for questioning the faith of someone I know, I think it's important to define "questioning." I do "question" Obama's faith but I make no judgment of the import of his lack thereof. If I am correct and he doesn't believe in God (let alone Jesus Christ) it's of no import to me and not even in respect to the fact that it would mean he has "lied" about it. I also think he "lied" when he initially said he firmly believes marriage is between a man and a woman, and I know he lied when he said I could keep my doctor. Everyone lies and politicians lie more so than anybody else...in this Obama is no exception. As a result, the fact that he may have lied is, in and of itself, of no import. I don't expect anyone to tell "the truth" 100% of the time. Context and intent are of import. Lying about his views on same-sex unions or his faith would have been committed to assist him in getting elected. Every candidate does this and if I have to disqualify Obama or any other Democrat for doing so, I have to disqualify every Republican candidate.

Now lying about faith or views on same-sex marriage may be of importance to some or even many, but it's not to me. Lying about a very important aspect of a significant domestic policy (Obamacare) so as to deceptively assuage concerns of voters is of a lot of importance to me and I think it speaks very poorly of Obama the president and Obama, the man.

Regardless, if he did lie about being a Christian, it's not important to me because believing in God is not required for my vote or support. I know a great many people who are fine, upstanding and deeply moral people who don't believe in God. An atheist can be a great president and a devout Christian can be a terrible one.

You wrote:
You might disagree with a fellow Christian's opinions or policies, that will likely happen on any given Sunday in any church around the country, but denying someone's faith, bringing false witness against them, for political reasons is about as un-Christian as you can get. I can't recall another politician subjected to this by mainline evangelical leaders.


It certainly seems to me that you are, once again, someone who didn't really bother to read what I wrote but made assumptions and then launched your swift boat.

I wrote this

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I find it problematic when anyone's faith is questioned because of politics



I also wrote

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I suppose Ms. Sullivan feels she is fighting fire with fire by questioning the faith of self-identified Christians who support Trump or even vote Republican.


And you are doing the same thing as her. You are bemoaning the questioning of Obama's faith and turning around and questioning Trump's.

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If you are a Christian looking for good in Trump, it's hard when not only is there no repentance, but there are ongoing lies, doubling down on lies and denial.


But I'm not, are you, and if you are why are you ignoring your own admonition about questioning someone's faith?

Neither you nor anyone else knows what goes on in Trump's mind when he is alone with God (assuming he actually believes in and prays to God). I don't, but I do know that he would not be the first sinner to act in public as if he is unrepentant or in denial of his sins, but in private, is begging for forgiveness from God.

I'm not God, I'm not a Christian, and Trump is not someone I personally care for. Whether or not he is seeking forgiveness from God for lying is immaterial to me. The point I was making in the comment you quoted is that no one can tell from outward appearances what someone believes about God, their personal sins, and their desire for forgiveness.

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...it is more than possible for a man who says all the right words and, by all indications, has been a faithful husband, to not actually believe the fundamental tenets of a religion he has adopted in public for political reasons


Keep in mind I was responding to Sullivan's piece and the importance she placed in the religious sentiments verbally expressed by Obama. She seems to think that they were enough to prove his faith. That's nonsense.

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Of course it was. You should be honest enough to admit that.


Of course, it was not and I'll admit no such thing. I would though tell you to shove something up your ass for your arrogant insult, but I won't, because you've simply allowed your partisan passion to override your intelligence.

Writing that it is more than possible that someone (and you can even read "Trump" here if you like) can be ignorant of religious dogma and clearly a sinner can also be a true Christian in the sense that he believes in God, that Jesus Christ died for his sins, and that he seeks forgiveness of his sins, is not arguing that Trump is a true Christian. Surely you are not so dense as to not see this? I can't read Trump's mind and have no way of knowing what his thoughts are about God and his sins.

Similarly, writing that someone (And, again, read "Obama" if you'd like) who is able to recite the Bible chapter and verse and remains faithful to his wife doesn't prove that he is a true Christian in the sense that I described above. Again, it's hard to believe you don't understand this. Maybe you have zero understanding of Christianity. Faithfulness to one's spouse and knowledge of dogma doesn't make one a Christian.

There is also nothing in what I posted that a reasonable person without a political ax to grind can interpret as my arguing that someone who fits the definition of a True Christian is perforce in possession of greater moral character than someone who is not. If you think there is point it out.

I could be wrong but I seem to recall posts of yours that indicate you are either atheist or agnostic. If so it would seem you have an incongruent, and somewhat romantic notion of what a True Christian is. I'm not a Christian but I believe in God and yet I don't think the term means anything more than what I outlined. Even if one believes that total adherence to the teachings of Christ renders a state of moral perfection, no one has or ever will achieve that state. By the definition you seem to be using, Jesus was and is the only True Christian that earth will ever see.

If you are a Christian, then you need to re-evaluate your thinking on what a True Christian is, unless you believe a man or woman on earth can somehow achieve a perfect state of grace and, in essence, become Christ. If you do think that, I find it fascinating and would love to hear more of your thoughts. In the meantime, I'll accept a simple apology for your insulting pomposity.
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Lash
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 03:57 pm
@revelette1,
‘princess’

smh
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jcboy
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 04:02 pm
New tariffs from China. Soybean, electronics, cars, beef, medical devices, fruits, nuts, dishwashers. 25% to 50% Folks, just look at everything you buy. Good luck trying to find items NOT made in China. Its about time tRump is slapped with the reality that he does not control the world! Will he learn anything from it? Probably not! but the rest of us will be paying for it.
coldjoint
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 05:17 pm
@jcboy,
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reality that he does not control the world!


He is letting China know they do not control the US. Hysterics are not necessary.
blatham
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 05:40 pm
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Facebook: 87M Users May Have Had Data Breached By Cambridge Analytica
TPM

So, heck, that's as cool as can be.
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blatham
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 05:59 pm
The Office of Congressional Ethics has asked the House Ethics Committee to
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investigate Rep. John Duncan Jr. (R-TN) for his possible misappropriation of funds from his campaign committee and leadership PAC for personal use, the House committee said Wednesday.

“…There is substantial reason to believe that Rep. Duncan’s campaign committee and leadership PAC expended funds that were not attributable to bona fide campaign or political purposes,” the Office of Congressional Ethics’ report said.

Looking back a full decade into Duncan’s Federal Election Commission records, the office found “multiple instances in which the campaign committee expended funds for the personal benefit of Rep. Duncan’s family and friends.” Some of those examples included in the report are private travel, weddings and baby showers, and personal cell phones.
TPM

What the heck is the world coming to when a politician can't just take a bunch of money from anywhere handy and use it for himself and his family? This is taking liberal political correctness too far!
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blatham
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 06:14 pm
This guy really is a world-class dipshit
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Scott Walker
@ScottWalker
Tonight’s results show we are at risk of a #BlueWave in WI. The Far Left is driven by anger & hatred -- we must counter it with optimism & organization. Let’s share our positive story with voters & win in November.
coldjoint
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 06:18 pm
@blatham,
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The Far Left is driven by anger & hatred


Walker hit the nail on the head. That rhymes with dead.
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Lash
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 06:26 pm
Bezos awarded $10 billion no bid contract with the Pentagon.

Welcome to BezosWorld. Leave your privacy, workers rights, and hopes for your future at the door.

https://amp.businessinsider.com/amazon-trump-wins-pentagon-contract-2018-4?__twitter_impression=true

The Pentagon is close to awarding a cloud services contract worth as much as $10 billion to Amazon, even as President Trump attacks the ecommerce giant from the White House, according to a source with knowledge of the deal.

The Pentagon has not yet publicly announced a winner of the highly sought-after, 10-year contract to provide cloud services to the Department of Defense as it overhauls its IT systems - a process it's calling the Joint Enterprise Defense Infrastructure (JEDI) program.

In fact, the DoD is not yet officially done with its request-for-proposal process. It has agreed to release another RFP on April 9.

But behind the scenes, some Department of Defense agencies are so sure that Amazon will be awarded the contract that they are preparing for a transition to GovCloud, which is Amazon's cloud infrastructure designed specifically for government use, according to this source.

"I can't imagine any possible way that the deal could be stopped," this person said, adding that it's "only waiting for the contract start date to be officially announced."

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blatham
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 06:29 pm
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Sinclair Broadcasting Is More Dangerous Than You Think

Authoritarianism isn’t on our doorstep. It’s in the foyer, making its way toward the living room.

In a June 2017 report, Arch Puddington, resident scholar at Freedom House, distinguished between modern authoritarianism and the authoritarianism of yore by, in part, the way in which information warfare is waged. Using the example of media under Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin, Puddington writes, “This is not just normal political spin or public diplomacy, but sheer, raw propaganda that deliberately crosses the line between interpretation of facts and outright mendacity. The aim is both to stir up belligerence at home and to isolate, confuse, and demoralize the enemy.”

“Central to the modern authoritarian strategy is the capture of institutions that undergird political pluralism,” he explains. In the United States, outright capture of media on a massive scale is a little more complicated. But where capture is too difficult, undermining public perception of the trustworthiness of a given outlet will do.
Prospect
MontereyJack
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 06:32 pm
@coldjoint,
That's a dangerous course. China has quietly been buying up US busineses and financial instrumenbts for years. They may actually be in a place where they can crash our economy now, they own so much of it. Trump better walk extremely carefully here. Which he never does. They had clearly been thinking about what to do if he increased tariffs and had made plans, and there are a lot of American businesses will be impacted and be out for Trump's head. And he never thinks these things out. He just trusts his gut,. Which is getting paunchier by the day.
thack45
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 06:34 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

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Scott Walker
@ScottWalker
Let’s share our positive story with voters


He don't know Trumpies too well, do he?
blatham
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 07:34 pm
@thack45,
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He don't know Trumpies too well, do he?
Rather laughable, isn't it. It's almost as if he didn't promise his largest donor that he had a strategy to destroy public-sector unions through "divide and conquer". And, golly, what do you think he might come up with as evidence he has a positive story to tell about his administration. There's a better-than-average chance he's going to get moyderd in November.

But a thing to note here is "the Far Left is driven by anger and hatred". You point to the obvious - What the **** did Trump run on? What the **** is he continuing to do every day? What does Hannity do every day? We're already seeing a lot people on the right trying to run with this story - Trump is criticized and attacked only because those on the left have an irrational and partisan hatred for him (Lash tried to pull that one earlier). That story is going to ramp up bigtime until November. Walker knows he's in danger so he's getting an early start.
coldjoint
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 08:01 pm
@blatham,
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"the Far Left is driven by anger and hatred"

Have or have you not wished people dead? What do you think is not hateful about that?

Also one hateful quote from Hannity or Trump will help your credibility.
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coldjoint
 
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Wed 4 Apr, 2018 08:05 pm
@MontereyJack,
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And he never thinks these things out.

Did Obama think his ME policy through or his inaction against Russia? Nobody's perfect.
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