@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Quote:Thanks for unwittingly explaining why handguns are used in the vast majority of mass shootings.
You're more than welcome. We know that assault-style weapons have been used as well.
Better data would show if this were part of a trend. But there must be a reason why these shooters would prefer these to handguns — or they'd use handguns. I believe it may be connected to the substantially increased firepower and their psychological allure.
Better data might show all sorts of things including facts that are counter-intuitive to gun-control advocates.
We also know that during the period between 2006 and 2015 around 350 Americans were killed in
mass slayings where the preferred weapon was fire, knives, or various blunt objects. Considering the ubiquitous nature of guns in this country, it's not surprising that they are most often the weapon of choice when someone decides killing multiple people is the thing to do. We further know that eliminating guns will not eliminate mass murders like:
• 1927 - 45 people (mostly children) killed at the Bath Consolidated School in Michigan, by a disgruntled janitor who planted sticks of dynamite around the school over a period of months and then set them all off using a timing mechanism
• 1978 - 912 people (mostly women and children) killed with poisoned Kool-Aid in Guyana
• 1990 - 87 dead at the Happy Land social club in Brooklyn; killed by a man with a can of gasoline and two matches
• 1995 - 168 people (including 19 children) killed and over 500 injured in Oklahoma City by a man with a fertilizer based car bomb
• 1995 - 13 people killed in a Tokyo subway station by members of a religious cult who dispersed sarin gas. Authorities reported that had the murderers been a bit savvier on the proper release methodology for the nerve gas, thousands would have died.
• 2001 - 2,996 people killed in NYC, Pennsylvania and Washington D.C. by a few men flying modern passenger jets
• 2003 - 133 killed on a subway train in Daegu, South Korea. This guy was a little more technologically advanced than the Brooklyn murderer...
he used a lighter to ignite his gasoline.
• 2008 - Two women and two children murdered by a California man wielding a katana and a baseball bat. If they survived his initial assault they died in the fire he set immediately thereafter
• 2010 - More than 500 Christian men, women & children butchered with machetes by Muslims in Nigeria
• 2013 - 3 dead and 264 injured in Boston thanks to homemade bombs utilizing pressure cookers. I still say that the members of the
AHAM (Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers) have blood on their hands in connection with that tragic event.
• 2014 - 31 people stabbed to death by several Uighur separatists with knives at a train station in Kunming, China
• 2015 - 22 killed in a Hindu shrine in Thailand...weapon of choice? A pipe bomb.
Glenn wrote:Since you are not in favor of banning handguns, how do you feel about having handguns referred to as assault style pistols?
hightor wrote:I don't care how people refer to them; I'm concerned how they use them.
Who are you kidding? Sure you're interested in the nomenclature used. You and your fellow gun-control advocates religiously use the term "assault weapon" and for obvious reason. You've made it clear here that you don't believe these weapons have any utility beyond the
assault and murder of human beings. If there was some way you could arrange to have the generally accepted term changed to
"murder and maim" rifle or weapon, you would happily do so.
May I assume that you've acknowledged that Glenn is correct in stating that handguns, and not
assault weapons) are the firearms most often used in mass shootings? If not, you should because it is factually correct and if so, why do you persist with your focus on assault rifles?
Dead is dead and the size of an exit wound in the case of a fatal shooting is only germane to the mortician who has to prepare the body for a possible open coffin wake. It's pretty clear from the above list of mass killing events that if you are interested in body count and the physical damage done to the bodies of your victims you should opt for explosives or fire, not an AR-15 or any firearm that is compatible with a high round magazine. In fact machetes would probably serve you better than an AR-15 if you could enlist two or three accomplices.
Are you really simply curious as to why someone like the FL shooter chose an AR-15 over a handgun? Your intuition tells you that it was because of
the substantially increased firepower, however, this serves your political position on this issue far better than reason. What is firepower in an attack like this but killing power, and if that was what the kid wanted he would have found it with a backpack loaded with pipebombs?
Your intuition is probably a lot closer to the mark when it zeroes in on the
psychological allure of one of these rifles, and if that is indeed the case what stoked that deadly fascination. The NRA commercials and flyers that glorify "assualt rifles"....that don't exist, or the ultra-violent video games that kids of his age (and younger!) are playing day in and day out across our nation? Not to mention the movies that fetishize these weapons. If what he was really looking for was not actually increased lethality, but to play a real bad-ass in his personal video game, should we outlaw all the firearms that look bad-ass? And what about the video games and movies that glorify that persona far, far more than the NRA or responsible American gun owners?