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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
oralloy
 
  -4  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 02:13 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Wow. I'm glad I looked up the list of companies who hate my civil rights.
I've picked a range of locations across the country in the path of the 2024 eclipse to reserve hotels in.
I'm going to have to make some changes.

As it turns out I didn't have any Wyndham hotels picked for my stay. They did have a range of low budget hotels in a lot of my locations, but I wasn't planing to stay in a low budget hotel.

There were a couple places where I switched from a Best Western Plus to a Holiday Inn Express though.
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blatham
 
  3  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 02:20 pm
I don't believe anyone would think it a significant event if every single person in Annapolis was dead by gunfire tomorrow morning.

The population of Annapolis is equal to the number of deaths from guns in 2016. And we ought to note that this does not address those who have been crippled, who've had part of their face blown off but survived, who've lost kidney function, etc.

Not a big thing. Sweden, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, France, England, etc etc could only dream of being as free as America.
hightor
 
  5  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 02:20 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Then why do you keep referring to assault-style or military-style as if they were a different class of guns?


Because in the past few years, a lot of attention has been drawn to their use in mass shootings. I can't recall the last time a mass shooting was done with a classic hunting rifle, you know, a single shot, lever action, or bolt action with a blind magazine. I'm not saying one hasn't but if one has I haven't heard about it. The assault styled weapons are lighter in weight, easier to stow, and can have extra-capacity magazines, all features which make them better suited for carrying out an effective massacre. I think you know this.
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 02:22 pm
A substantial piece on the Rand study. Pardon if it has been linked previously.
Quote:
For decades, the federal government, with the support of the National Rifle Association, has made it very difficult to answer a question at the heart of American public health and safety: Does gun control work?

The answer is hugely important given that guns killed nearly 39,000 Americans in 2016 alone. But after research on gun violence in the 1990s found that firearms do not — contrary to NRA talking points — make people safer, the group backed a federal funding freeze on gun policy research.

But studies have gone on — just without federal funding. And on Friday, a nonpartisan think tank, the RAND Corporation, released the results so far of its Gun Policy in America initiative, a two-year dive into the research on gun violence and the laws trying to curtail it.
Vox
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 02:27 pm
Apparently we were all a little to harsh on Carson. That $31,000.00 dining set wasn't ordered because it was beautiful. It was going to be used for grain storage.
ehBeth
 
  3  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 02:32 pm
@blatham,
The 31k dining set was Carson
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 02:34 pm
It's beginning. It was inevitable. The only question remaining is how long it takes before the snowball gets too big to stop.
Quote:
What does it take for Fox News stars to turn on Trump? We are finding out.
WP
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 02:35 pm
@ehBeth,
Duh. Edited. Thanks.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 02:38 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Because in the past few years, a lot of attention has been drawn to their use in mass shootings.

That's no justification for pretending that they are different from other rifles.


hightor wrote:
a classic hunting rifle, you know, a single shot, lever action, or bolt action with a blind magazine.

Hold on here. Rifle cosmetics have nothing to do with whether they are semi-auto or some other action.


hightor wrote:
The assault styled weapons are lighter in weight, easier to stow, and can have extra-capacity magazines, all features which make them better suited for carrying out an effective massacre. I think you know this.

Nonsense. Having a pistol grip does not make a rifle lighter in weight.

Having a pistol grip also does not increase the capacity of magazines.

A collapsible stock might make it easier to stow, although minimum size requirements for rifles when they have the stock collapsed can address any concerns on that front.

Rifles that are designed to be easily disassembled into separate halves (and be easily reassembled again) are also easily stowed, even if they don't have a pistol grip.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 02:41 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
I don't believe anyone would think it a significant event if every single person in Annapolis was dead by gunfire tomorrow morning.

The population of Annapolis is equal to the number of deaths from guns in 2016. And we ought to note that this does not address those who have been crippled, who've had part of their face blown off but survived, who've lost kidney function, etc.

Not a big thing. Sweden, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, France, England, etc etc could only dream of being as free as America.

Are you saying these people wouldn't be dead if they were killed with knives?
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hightor
 
  3  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 03:06 pm
@oralloy,

Quote:
That's no justification for pretending that they are different from other rifles.

If that's what people are talking about it's justified to use the corrected term, "assault-style". Firearms aficionados can use whatever terminology they wish, Joe Public understands what is meant by the term.
Quote:
Hold on here. Rifle cosmetics have nothing to do with whether they are semi-auto or some other action.

I said that I don't remember the last time one of these was used and that people currently seem to prefer the AR15 style.
Quote:
Having a pistol grip does not make a rifle lighter in weight.

I didn't say that it did. The guns weigh less than the military models they replaced.
Quote:
Having a pistol grip also does not increase the capacity of magazines.

I didn't say that either. High capacity magazines are not available for the classic hunting style rifles I mentioned, the single shot, the lever action, and bolt action with the blind magazine.
Quote:
A collapsible stock might make it easier to stow, although minimum size requirements for rifles when they have the stock collapsed can address any concerns on that front.

Classic hunting arms do not have collapsible stocks.
Quote:
Rifles that are designed to be easily disassembled into separate halves (and be easily reassembled again) are also easily stowed, even if they don't have a pistol grip.

Whether or not there's a pistol grip is superfluous. Disassembling a 30-06 with a 26" barrel does not result in an easily stowable package.
ehBeth
 
  3  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 03:28 pm
@blatham,
Gun violence is just a piece of violence in the US.

Bigger issue all round for (perhaps) another thread though it has been discussed at a2k a few times.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/10/03/america-is-a-violent-country/

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People often wonder whether the United States is a particularly violent society. Several years ago, the same question led me to take a look at some comparative data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) on the rates of death due to assault across different countries. The OECD now has this data for almost all its members from 1960 up to 2014 or 2015. Here is what it looks like.





https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/WceviDFdWHv8q6S3Q6Q8TbGyZ3Q=/480x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/IYRMVWYJKY5ZNNTLUEXBJ3LE5E.png



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The short answer is that the United States is a society where an unusual number of people die violently, at least in comparison to other rich, capitalist democracies. That has been true for a long time, and it remains true even though far fewer people now die in the United States as the result of assault than at any time in the past 50 years.

Why this decline has happened is a matter of debate, with potential causes ranging from the demographic (a shift in the age structure of the population) to the organizational (better trauma care for those shot and wounded). As an officially recorded cause of death, “assault” does not pick out the exact mechanism of death, such as a gunshot vs. a stabbing, and so on. It does exclude intentional self-harm and accidents. But there is little doubt that the tendency for assault to be lethal in the United States has a great deal to do with the easy availability of guns.



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The United States is not the most violent country in the world, or even the most violent in the OECD by this measure. Mexico has a much higher assault death rate, one that has spiked in the past decade. Estonia experienced a huge wave of (possibly alcohol-related) homicides shortly after its independence in 1991 but has since receded to near-average levels. But when it comes to questions of living standards, public safety, and social policy, Americans do not typically rush to compare themselves with these countries, nor with more violent non-OECD nations such as Honduras or Kyrgyzstan. The countries in the blue zone in the graph include the likes of Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden and Britain.

Even as overall rates of violent death decline, the horrific, high-visibility mass shooting appears to have become more common in the United States in recent years. It is by now well institutionalized as a mode of violence. When one happens, everybody knows what to do. The past decade has seen innovations in terrorist violence elsewhere in the OECD, too, such as random knife and acid attacks, or driving vehicles into crowds. These are similarly horrifying events and — at least the first few times they are tried — may lead to many fatalities. Do not look for them in the United States, though. Their lethality is intrinsically limited. Using a truck as a weapon is just less efficient than using a weapon as a weapon. For as long as powerful firearms remain easily available to private citizens, the United States is likely to remain well above the OECD average when it comes to violent death.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 03:29 pm
@blatham,
must be all my tweets to Fox News pointing out actual news

Laughing

it really is fun
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 03:49 pm
@ehBeth,
Clearly. Good work!

ps... have earlier cite bookmarked.

Note: As the gun thing has risen to the forefront of discussion here, the reaction from Fox shows how deeply the NRA has managed to manipulate a certain American demographic. It's been an exceptionally successful propaganda campaign. But behind it is a LOT of money and that money has facilitated serious organization and constant pressure on (mostly) right wing politicians.

Still, as recent events have demonstrated, the bad guys can be beaten.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 03:50 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
If that's what people are talking about it's justified to use the corrected term, "assault-style". Firearms aficionados can use whatever terminology they wish, Joe Public understands what is meant by the term.

What is not justified is pretending that these guns are more deadly than other guns.


hightor wrote:
I said that I don't remember the last time one of these was used and that people currently seem to prefer the AR15 style.

Why does it matter which cosmetics are used?


hightor wrote:
I didn't say that it did. The guns weigh less than the military models they replaced.

Nonsense. You were talking about the difference between these guns verses other guns that a mass murderer might choose.


hightor wrote:
I didn't say that either.

Sure you did: "The assault styled weapons . . . . can have extra-capacity magazines, all features which make them better suited for carrying out an effective massacre."


hightor wrote:
High capacity magazines are not available for the classic hunting style rifles I mentioned,

Nonsense. Any gun that can accept a detachable magazine, can have a high capacity magazine built that will fit it.


hightor wrote:
the classic hunting style rifles I mentioned, the single shot, the lever action, and bolt action with the blind magazine.

Differences in action have nothing to do with the cosmetic styles that you were referring to.


hightor wrote:
Classic hunting arms do not have collapsible stocks.

True. Hard to see why that matters, but true.


hightor wrote:
Whether or not there's a pistol grip is superfluous.

Which is why you were wrong to pretend that such guns are somehow more dangerous.


hightor wrote:
Disassembling a 30-06 with a 26" barrel does not result in an easily stowable package.

Sure it does. Breaking a rifle in half lets it be carried in a much shorter container.

Most rifles only have a 26 inch barrel if they are a magnum caliber.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 03:56 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Note: As the gun thing has risen to the forefront of discussion here, the reaction from Fox shows how deeply the NRA has managed to manipulate a certain American demographic. It's been an exceptionally successful propaganda campaign. But behind it is a LOT of money and that money has facilitated serious organization and constant pressure on (mostly) right wing politicians.

We don't support civil rights because we've been manipulated. Rolling Eyes


blatham wrote:
Still, as recent events have demonstrated, the bad guys can be beaten.

The only bad guys here are you guys who want to violate our civil rights for no reason.

And you will always be the ones who lose this fight.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 04:11 pm
https://www.investors.com/news/electrolux-halts-250-million-u-s-investment-over-trump-tariffs-on-steel/

Quote:
Sweden's Electrolux Friday said it is now delaying a planned $250 million investment in Tennessee due to concerns the measures will cause a spike in metal prices. The world's second biggest home appliance maker buys American steel in all its U.S.-made products.

"We are putting it on hold. We believe that tariffs could cause a pretty significant increase in the price of steel on the U.S. market," Electrolux spokesman Daniel Frykholm said. "This is not the possibility of tariffs directly impacting our costs, but rather the impact it could have on the market and that it could damage the overall competitiveness of our operations in the U.S."
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Brand X
 
  0  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 04:20 pm
'Zekelman Industries celebrates steel trade policy changes with employee bonus'

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/zekelman-industries-celebrates-steel-trade-policy-changes-with-employee-bonus-300607015.html
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Olivier5
 
  4  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 04:37 pm
http://www.blufftontoday.com/sites/blufftontoday.com/files/styles/flexslider_enhanced/public/12760330.jpg?itok=WQnX0sjl
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 05:06 pm
@Olivier5,
Look! The Gallic gungasnake...
 

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