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Glennn
 
  -2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 08:42 am
@hightor,
Yeah but handguns are used more than rifles in mass shootings by a 5 to 1 ratio. Why are you obsessing on those weapons.

DO YOU SUPPORT A BAN ON HANDGUNS?
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________

We'll talk more later. I've got a busy day.
maporsche
 
  4  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 08:42 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
But you still seem unable to acknowledge the fact that handguns are used to more often than rifles during mass shootings.

I wasn't disputing that — I suggested that while the dead would be just as dead, the wounds inflicted by the higher velocity projectiles would be more horrific.


Not to mention that each shot would be less likely to be lethal. You would likely have more survivors, those who were shot, but didn’t die.
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 08:44 am
Thought experiment. If we'd like to decrease both the number of guns available in the country and if we'd particularly like to limit the high-lethality weapons, it would help to understand the psychological underpinnings of many or most gun purchasers. Here's the thought experiment.

Imagine how gun sales and ownership would be effected if it was made mandatory that all guns, pistols and rifles, be produced in the color pink.
hightor
 
  4  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 08:46 am
@Glennn,
Quote:
Why are you obsessing on those weapons.

They seem to be the hot topic, don't they? If people were discussing crossbows or atlatls I'd be discussing them. As I said, the firepower of the weapons might be the reason for the attention they are drawing.
maporsche
 
  6  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 08:50 am
@blatham,
I saw a Bushmaster AR15 advertisement that said in big bold letters, “Get Your Man-card Back”.

My first thought was “How insulting to suggest that gun owners are so weak or insecure that they’d fall for this.”

After a few minutes I thought, “Bushmasters advertising department is genius!”
Lash
 
  -2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 08:55 am
@hightor,
What are you trying to convey with that quote— that because people associated careless quotes with the AR-15, ...what?
maporsche
 
  4  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 08:58 am
I just watched a few videos about people talking about how an AR15 is so much better for home defense than a handgun or a shot gun. Making points about not having to reload as often allowing you to engage multiple targets more efficiently and how the AR15 can shoot through several walls of you don’t have line of sight to your target, and about muzzle velocity and ensuring that your target stays down.

Replace “target” wth “classmate” and it’s a different kind of sales video.
hightor
 
  4  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 09:01 am
@Lash,
Well I wasn't criticizing you if that's what you're concerned about. No, it's about the cultural associations which surround that particular weapon and have been created by clever marketing. It deserves more attention but I found that little snippet and included it in our discussion here. Okay?
revelette1
 
  5  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 09:03 am
@Glennn,
I don't tend to read (I am always giving ammunition to detractors...) every post, so more than likely I missed the post where you left a link which cites the poll you have referred to several times. Would you mind leaving a link again?

The reason I ask is, I find the poll puzzling. In recent years almost all the mass shootings have used an AR-15. Perhaps the information you cite is outdated? The following may be a liberal source to some of our conservatives here, but facts are facts and if the facts stated are wrong, I would appreciate an explanation and the source of proof of why the fact is wrong. Just saying.

Quote:
When a gunman attacked a high school in Parkland, Fla., on Wednesday, killing 17 people, the event marked a depressingly familiar milestone.

As of this week, seven of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in modern U.S. history have all happened since 2007. The Parkland massacre is now the eighth-deadliest attack.

The nation's mass-shooting problem seems to be getting worse. And the latest, most serious shootings all seem to have one new thing in common: the AR-15 semi-automatic assault rifle.

The AR-15 typically has large magazines, shoots rounds at higher velocities than handguns, and leaves more complex wounds in victims.

In each one of the older shootings on the 10-deadliest list — including the 2007 attack on Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va., that left 32 victims dead — the shooters carried handguns. (The exception is the 1984 San Ysidro massacre, where the gunman also used a shotgun and an Uzi semiautomatic carbine.)

But in all of the latest incidents — Newtown, Conn., in 2012; San Bernardino, Calif., in 2015; Orlando, Fla., in 2016; Las Vegas, 2017; Sutherland Springs, Texas, 2017 — the attackers primarily used AR-15 semiautomatic rifles.

There are a couple of theories that might suggest why AR-15s would be associated with deadlier attacks. AR-15 rifles shoot small but high-velocity .223-caliber rounds that often shatter inside victims' bodies, creating more devastating injuries than the wounds typically left by larger but lower-velocity handgun rounds.

Shooters also commonly use the rifles with 30-round magazines, which allow them to fire more rounds uninterrupted, compared with the smaller magazines commonly used in handguns.

Details were still coming in about Wednesday's shooting in Florida, but officials say the suspected gunman, Nikolas Cruz, 19, was armed with at least one AR-15 semiautomatic rifle and "countless magazines," according to Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel.

There's one thing that does make the Parkland massacre unusual. Of the 10 deadliest mass shootings, Cruz is the only suspected gunman who escaped, survived and will likely face trial — giving the public a chance to learn why the massacre happened.


LAT
ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 09:04 am
@hightor,
Nothing like a little bit of fear to keep America tripping along.
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revelette1
 
  2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 09:12 am
Shooting at Michigan University
nimh
 
  6  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 09:33 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
By the way, tag abuse has ended. People can only add tags to their own threads now.

That prevents people from adding helpful tags to threads, but it also eliminates the name-calling tags.

Judging on his own tagging history, I'm not sure nononono will be particularly happy to hear this..

https://i.imgur.com/g8roMd7.png
ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 09:36 am
McMaster watch is on

Hoover Institute is apparently ready for him
Lash
 
  -2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 09:47 am
@hightor,
Dude, don’t get sensitive.

No, I didn’t feel criticized. I was legitimately trying to divine your meaning. I definitely picked up on those same forced associations.
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ehBeth
 
  5  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 10:19 am
Quote:
Asked by CNBC whether Trump’s tariffs would apply to all countries, no exemptions, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross says this: “That’s what the president seemed to announce yesterday.”


the #45 WH

home of the qualifier
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 10:37 am
@maporsche,
Indeed. It's almost as if they've read my book, "How to Speak To and Manipulate the Knuckle-Dragger's Mind In One Easy Step"
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 10:45 am
Only the best people - Fox version
Quote:
Fox News Executive Editor and Executive Vice President John Moody, who’s been with the news network since 1996, has retired just one month after the network yanked a controversial column he penned about diversity in the Olympics.

A Fox News spokesperson confirmed Moody’s retirement Friday, telling TPM: “John Moody has retired from Fox News.”

A person close to the situation told CNN that Moody was already planning to retire before the backlash over his column, which slammed the U.S. Olympics for its efforts to attract a diverse group of athletes for the Winter Games.

“Unless it’s changed overnight, the motto of the Olympics, since 1894, has been ‘Faster, Higher, Stronger.’ It appears the U.S. Olympic Committee would like to change that to ‘Darker, Gayer, Different.’ If your goal is to win medals, that won’t work,” Moody wrote in the column that was deleted after it drew outrage early last month.
TPM
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 10:46 am
@ehBeth,
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/report-mcmaster-to-be-fired-at-kelly-and-mattiss-behest.html

Quote:
It’s possible that McMaster’s ouster has nothing to do with his views on North Korea, and that he’s merely being sacrificed for his various affronts to Donald Trump’s ego. It’s also possible that McMaster won’t end up being ousted at all.

But given the fact that he was apparently the “adult” in the White House most open to pushing an emotionally volatile reality star into a war with nuclear state, it’s hard to feel much concern at the thought of his exit.


Quote:
The White House is preparing to replace H.R. McMaster as national security adviser as early as next month in a move orchestrated by chief of staff John Kelly and Defense Secretary James Mattis, according to five people familiar with the discussions.



…A leading candidate to become President Donald Trump’s third national security adviser is the auto industry executive Stephen Biegun, according to the officials.



Biegun, who currently serves as vice president of international governmental affairs for the Ford Motor Company, is no stranger to the White House. He served on the National Security Council staff from 2001 to 2003, including as a senior staffer for then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice.



Rice introduced Biegun to Mattis, recommending him for a position in the administration, according to a close associate of Rice. After Mattis met with Biegun at a think tank event he was convinced Biegun would be a good fit for the national security adviser role, the associate said.



Two people close to Biegun said he would need several weeks to get his financial affairs in order to be able to join the administration this spring.


we'll see
ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 10:47 am
@ehBeth,
nymag's also got Jared and Ivanka on the watch list

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/trump-may-be-secretly-undermining-jared-and-ivanka-too.html
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 2 Mar, 2018 10:54 am
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/new-survey-young-staying-liberal-conservatives-dying-off.html

Quote:
The most recent Pew Research Survey has more detail about the generational divide. It shows that the old saw that young people would naturally grow more conservative as they age, or that their Democratic loyalties were an idiosyncratic response to Barack Obama’s unique personal appeal, has not held. Younger voters have distinctly more liberal views than older voters:


Quote:
It is hard to focus on this trend at a moment when Republicans have full control of government, and are heading into an election where gerrymandering gives them a large advantage in maintaining Congress. But this fact runs headlong against a much longer deterioration of the conservative position within the electorate. Many conservatives supported Trump precisely because they were panicked about this trend. So far, Trump is merely accelerating the demise they feared.

In the long run, as John Maynard Keynes quipped, “We are all dead.” But over the long run, the Republicans are especially dead.


I almost feel bad for old white men.

Almost.
 

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