monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

@Brand X,

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0800-0899/0836/Sections/0836.10.html

Cruz on at least several occasions threatened the lives of others including his former girlfriend and her new boyfriend. These threats were reported to the authorities, and they failed to take action.

I guess we need a law that imposes the death penalty on local or federal law enforcement agents who don't enforce other laws. Maybe that will get them out from hiding behind a truck when an active shooting is going on.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

What sane reason could it be? Gun collections?

Sometimes when a question is asked after it has already been answered thousands of times, there is a definite sense that there is no point in trying to answer again.

But anyway, people use AR-15s for self defense and sport shooting, as well as for hunting.

revelette1 wrote:

Is the loss of lives worth someone having an AR-15 for display?

Having a pistol grip on a rifle does not cause the loss of any lives.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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You seem incapable of recognizing that there is a reason some people believe citizens need "assault weapons" other than for sport.

Hardly "incapable". I don't believe we should make a practice of providing earful people with everything they believe themselves to "need". Civilians don't "need" weapons like the AR15. They just "want" them. They're responding to the marketing campaigns of the gun companies and the glitzy ads in NRA publications. Got to keep up with the Joneses.

The rights and freedoms which we hold dear are way too fundamentally important to be cheapened into the idea that freedom means we can buy anything we want. What a disgusting perversion of the concept of "civil liberty".

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

What is this thing and why are you showing it to me?

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@Lash,

Maybe you're not really a "progressive." (And I don't mean that maybe you are a right-winger) You don't have to reside on the right or the left to not trust Government. Over my life I've moved across the spectrum of political belief but one thing has been a constant since I was 15 and am now 64 - I don't trust people who hold power over the rest of us: The Government

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@McGentrix,

Excellent point. I wish I had made it.

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@blatham,

Well, McG just responded to your argument much better than I have so I will defer to his.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

Hardly "incapable". I don't believe we should make a practice of providing earful people with everything they believe themselves to "need". Civilians don't "need" weapons like the AR15. They just "want" them. They're responding to the marketing campaigns of the gun companies and the glitzy ads in NRA publications. Got to keep up with the Joneses.

You seem to have confused freedom with European serfdom.

We don't have to convince you or anyone else that we need something before we exercise our right to have it.

Damn right we buy guns solely because we want them. That is all the reason that is required in a free country.

hightor wrote:

The rights and freedoms which we hold dear are way too fundamentally important to be cheapened into the idea that freedom means we can buy anything we want. What a disgusting perversion of the concept of "civil liberty".

Preventing you from violating our rights is hardly a perversion of those rights. That is exactly what those rights were designed to do.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

BFD - When our nation's fate lies in the hands of the German people, this might mean something, and I might care.

I don't think that you read the linked report - you can't be so dense not to see that it is closely related to "monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events" namely showing the "Partisan differences in U.S. over relationship with Germany" as the Pew Research Center wrote.

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@revelette1,

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What sane reason could it be? Gun collections?

I want a handgun for home self defense. Are you okay with that?

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Is the loss of lives worth someone having an AR-15 for display?

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that in the absence of a semi-automatic rifle, a homicidal individual would not resort to using a couple of semi-automatic handguns or a sawed-off pump shotgun.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

........you can't be so dense.......

In actuality, much denser, and obtuse also.

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@oralloy,

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More proof that liberals* hate freedom and civil rights, and we need to vote for Trump and the Republicans if we don't want to have our civil rights violated.

"Freedom" doesn't mean you're entitled to simply possess anything you wish; our freedom is not absolute. The only thing this article "proves" is that people are concerned about gun violence and that they are proposing solutions. People don't "hate" the right to bear arms. They hate the increasing damage that people can do with modern military-styled weapons.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Don't get too emotional and sanctimonious now... :-)

What you are telling me is that your emotions about guns trump my emotions about the live of human beings.

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@revelette1,

I know you dismiss this out of hand but there are sane people who feel that a citizenry armed with more than hunting rifles or revolvers creates a bulwark against tyranny.

As for your logic: Opioids are in the news today because people are killing themselves through their abuse. At the same time, a great many people who take them responsibly find them to be a relief from chronic pain. Is their selfish desire to be pain-free worth the lives of those dying? Are you for outlawing them altogether?

As well, there are a great many people who find hunting to be abominable and would love to see it and all the weapons used in its practice outlawed. Are you one of them or do you presume to be so sage that you know which weapons are acceptable and which are not?

You have an opinion on this and that is wonderful. So do others and they don't necessarily agree with yours. You want yours to prevail? Also wonderful, work within our laws to do so, but spare us the self-righteous outrage that is merely an expression of your opinion.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

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You seem incapable of recognizing that there is a reason some people believe citizens need "assault weapons" other than for sport.

Hardly "incapable". I don't believe we should make a practice of providing earful people with everything they believe themselves to "need". Civilians don't "need" weapons like the AR15. They just "want" them. They're responding to the marketing campaigns of the gun companies and the glitzy ads in NRA publications. Got to keep up with the Joneses.

The rights and freedoms which we hold dear are way too fundamentally important to be cheapened into the idea that freedom means we can buy anything we want. What a disgusting perversion of the concept of "civil liberty".

Americans also don't "need" expensive sports cars, Versace dresses, diamond necklaces, homes with 3000 square feet, HBO, motor boats, fish radar, 15 different fast food franchises in every town, hot pockets, 32GB of RAM, smart phones, or a whole litany of other things... Yet we "want" them, and we are willing to pay for them and therefore they exist.

"want" vs "need" has no place in America. We aren't a third world nation defined by needs.

Would you say the average abortion is a "want" or a "need"?
Stomach surgery, "want" or "need"?
Better healthcare, "want" or "need"?

This is America and one person's "want" is the next person's "need" and I can certainly guarantee that no person on A2K is qualified to judge which is which for someone else.

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@McGentrix,

Say I want 5 tons of sarin gaz for my own personal protection. Where can I buy them? You aren't going to tell me I don't need them, are you?

I also need an A bomb, just to be on the safe side. Of course that's allowed in America, because Versace dresses and stomach surgery are ok so why not nuclear weapons, right?

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

"Freedom" doesn't mean you're entitled to simply possess anything you wish; our freedom is not absolute.

Our Constitutional rights can be limited only if there is a good reason for that limitation. That is a universal rule that applies to all Constitutional rights.

So unless you can propose a good reason for a limitation, then yes in fact we can have whatever we want.

hightor wrote:

The only thing this article "proves" is that people are concerned about gun violence and that they are proposing solutions.

Wrong. The proposals did not attempt to solve any problems. The only goal was to violate our rights for no reason.

hightor wrote:

People don't "hate" the right to bear arms.

Liberals do. Otherwise they wouldn't fight so hard to violate it for no reason.

hightor wrote:

They hate the increasing damage that people can do with modern military-styled weapons.

Having a pistol grip on a gun does not in any way increase the damage that is done.

Not to mention the proposals listed in the article included a ban on all semi-auto weapons (including hunting rifles and shotguns), as well as a violation of our right to carry guns in public.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
BFD - When our nation's fate lies in the hands of the German people, this might mean something, and I might care.
I don't think that you read the linked report - you can't be so dense not to see that it is closely related to "monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events" namely showing the "Partisan differences in U.S. over relationship with Germany" as the Pew Research Center wrote.

You're wrong, I did read the whole article but it's typical of you to assume I didn't because my comment didn't conform to your thinking.

I also forgot that your participation in this forum is merely as a reporter of objective fact and that you never offer your personal opinions. Rolling Eyes

Surely you can't be so dense as to not appreciate that everyone here (including you, my friend) offers their opinions with great frequency.

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