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oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 03:41 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
GOP Rep Brian Mast of Florida, sane person.

Wanting to violate civil rights for no reason is evidence of fascism, not of sanity.


Quote:
Mast is a Bronze Star winner -- the ultimate "good guy with a gun," as gun-rights supporters like to say. But his handgun and concealed-weapon permit would have been no match for someone firing a military-style weapon from high above.

Oh nonsense. Having a pistol grip on a gun does not make it military and does not make it any more deadly.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 03:46 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
The following is a link where Trump appears to be backing away from the idea of raising the age limit on assault weapons.

I guess that means he is against violating people's civil rights for no reason. Good for him!


revelette1 wrote:
In the end, he will support no more and no less than what the NRA supports.

Yes. And, once again, good for him!
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 03:47 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
What's your problem with emotions, exactly?

The problem is that they are making you post untrue claims and are making you support preposterous policies.

Emotions are great. But don't let them override facts and logic.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 03:58 am
@thack45,
Quote:
Georgia Republicans threaten to stop Delta tax break over NRA decision

Nice. We need to stand up to these companies who oppose our civil rights.


thack45 wrote:
So much I don't like about this. First, I'll start by saying that I didn't feel great about seeing the various companies dropping their affiliation with the NRA last week. I mean, I get it,

Get what? All they were doing was opposing our civil rights.


thack45 wrote:
but it's just hammering the wedge that's being driven between everyday Americans, while none of this crap will be any skin off the noses of the businesses in question, or the NRA. I guess we should've known the day is fast coming when we'll need a god damned rolodex of the companies we can't patronize, because everyone has to take a side on everything. But I guess this is what happens when we elect a bloviating internet junkie as Complainer in Chief, and he ushers in the era of conservative media as the face of the White House...

Hardly Trump's fault. Blame the companies who decided to oppose civil rights.


thack45 wrote:
[3] Interesting that he should falsely frame NRA membership as a wholly conservative organization. But anyway, what really mashes my taters is that this is now the modus operandi. There is no longer any veil. Government officials are full-on bent on public revenge for every slight. No diplomacy. No decency. Everything's a fight.

Blame the gun banners for that. They're the ones who are fighting to abolish freedom.


thack45 wrote:
Everyone's a victim. And it's all a massive spectacle where these people have just joined in to the fray that all of us have been in since the beginning of the internet. And they're doing it all, ostensibly, on our behalf. 'You, the people, are suffering' they'll say, 'So we will go out and punch back, hurt them worse than you are hurting, because that's what you want, and that's what you do.'

Whatever works to protect our freedom and civil rights.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 04:00 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
Because our current laws are insufficient. Because mental health is not taken seriously in this country.
FL had the wrong laws.

If so, it would be good to change the laws that are an actual problem, instead of passing laws that violate civil rights for no good reason.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 04:14 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
the Baker Act is a pretty high hill to climb as it stands - and not particularly helpful

That's because people have due process rights. Violating those rights makes a proposal unconstitutional.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 04:16 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
I’m not sure how anyone could be against these new red flag laws. Well I could things of some reasons, but no Progressive ones.

It depends on the details.

If they violate due process rights, that is wrong. And progressives at least pretend to care about due process rights.

Then again, they could be written in a way that respect due process rights. If they are, then there shouldn't be a problem.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 04:20 am
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:
Archie Bunker's Editorial on Gun Control

Good arguments there.

Is the "Would it make you feel any better if they was pushed out of windows?" one available? That one was spot on.
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blatham
 
  3  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 04:53 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
And when tobacco smokers ignore the obvious risks of their habit someone else is to blame.
There's always someone else to blame, never the poor hapless individuals who need the government to care for them.
Yes, modern smokers are to some degree responsible for their behavior because the health effects are now well known. That was not the case in the sixties and seventies and earlier because the AMA had not yet established its educational initiative and because the tobacco companies purposefully hid that health data, which they already knew, and established a multi-million dollar PR campaign to cast doubts on the known science so their profits wouldn't suffer. And meanwhile, they were developing ways to make their products even more addictive.

That individual smoker bears a responsibility for himself/herself - that is, one person. The tobacco companies bear responsibility for millions or billions of people sick and dying or dead because of their product.

And you want the moral/ethical focus to be on the individual who has been purposefully addicted to the product? That is not a sustainable moral position. But you appear to be led to it by an axiomatic formulation that even where such undeniably horrible health consequences arise from a profit-making enterprise's activities or products, it would be worse for the community if that community's government moved to regulate the sale and distribution of the product.
blatham
 
  3  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 05:11 am
@ehBeth,
And these shifts are not taking place under a condition where the Dems suddenly have a highly charismatic and compelling political leader. These shifts are taking place in response to Trump and modern conservatism when it gains power.
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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 05:26 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
The NRA makes neither guns nor bullets.
That is so. And the lawyers working for the Mafia don't put an ice pick in anyone's brain. And those on the internet who promote the techniques for building pressure-cooker bombs are mostly not going be making or deploying one themselves. Therefore they are innocent of any moral responsibility.
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 05:32 am
Genuine aluminum trophy for today's Big ******* Surprise award goes to Oath Keepers
Quote:
The Oath Keepers militia group on Monday issued an official “call to action” asking their members to serve as voluntary armed guards at U.S. schools, in order to intervene in the event of a mass shooting.

But the group doesn’t seem to think much of some of the students they say they want to protect.

During a meandering Monday night webinar held by the far-right, anti-government group, the gun writer David Codrea referred to Emma González and David Hogg, survivors of the Valentine’s Day school shooting in Parkland, Florida as “the enemy.”

González and Hogg have been at the forefront of a student activist movement urging Congress to pass gun control legislation.
TPM

These people really love and care about students. It's their thing. It's what makes them so special.
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 05:45 am
Quote:
Cato board member faces spousal-abuse charge
The case against Preston Marshall, an associate of the Koch brothers, follows allegations of sexual harassment against the think tank’s former president.

A board member at the libertarian Cato Institute is facing criminal charges of assaulting a family member in Texas, as his wife claims he held her down, choked her, head-butted her and bit her in the face, according to court documents of the May 2017 incident.

Preston Marshall, a 44-year-old investor who was involved in high-profile lawsuits over his family’s estate with Anna Nicole Smith, pleaded not guilty to assaulting his wife. His wife, Anastasia Marshall, has initiated divorce proceedings.

Marshall has been on the Cato board since 2012, when he was appointed with the support of Charles and David Koch, who are major Cato funders.
Politico

The best people. The real patriots.
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hightor
 
  4  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 05:50 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
We need to stand up to these companies who oppose our civil rights.

It's not your civil "rights" — as we established yesterday:
oralloy wrote:
Our right to carry guns is a civil right.

These companies are not "opposed" to any of your civil rights — they simply object to the way the NRA digs in its heels and is unhelpful with respect to the problem of gun violence. Your statement is inaccurate.
blatham
 
  3  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 05:50 am
Quote:
Gun control support surges in polls
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/28/gun-control-polling-parkland-430099
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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 05:56 am
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/02/27/us/with-ar-15-mass-shooters-have-the-same-killing-power-as-many-american-troops-promo/with-ar-15-mass-shooters-have-the-same-killing-power-as-many-american-troops-promo-largeHorizontal375.jpg
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blatham
 
  3  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 06:03 am
Quote:
Department of Housing and Urban Development officials spent $31,000 on a new dining room set for Secretary Ben Carson’s office in late 2017 — just as the White House circulated its plans to slash HUD’s programs for the homeless, elderly and poor, according to federal procurement records.

The purchase of the custom hardwood table, chairs and hutch came a month after a top agency staff member filed a whistle-blower complaint charging Mr. Carson’s wife, Candy Carson, with pressuring department officials to find money for the expensive redecoration of his offices, even if it meant circumventing the law.
Politico

All the best swamp-drainers.
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hightor
 
  7  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 06:19 am
Major Gun Retailer to Stop Selling Assault-Style Rifles
NYT

Drip...drip...drip...
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 06:25 am
@hightor,
This moment is empirically different. The NRA is not going to get sane because that is just not in their DNA. The GOP will only if it HAS TO for serious electoral concerns. It's going to have to be up to everyone else to come together and continue steamrolling over this status quo on guns.
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 28 Feb, 2018 06:37 am
47 minutes it took
Quote:
Forty-seven minutes after news broke of a high school shooting in Parkland, Fla., the posters on the anonymous chat board 8chan had devised a plan to bend the public narrative to their own designs: “Start looking for [Jewish] numerology and crisis actors.”

The voices from this dark corner of the Internet quickly coalesced around a plan of attack: Use details gleaned from news reports and other sources to push false information about one of America’s deadliest school shootings.

The posters on anonymous forums, a cauldron of far-right extremist politics, over the next few hours speculated about the shooter’s ethnicity (“Hope the kid isn’t white”) and cracked off-color jokes. They began crafting false explanations about the massacre, including that actors were posing as students, in hopes of blunting what they correctly guessed would be a revived interest in gun control.
WP
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