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Lash
 
  -1  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 09:42 am
@revelette1,
We’re all free to be outraged, block, respond with opinions.

We’re not Youtube.

Let me go remind myself of TOS language...
camlok
 
  1  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 10:02 am
@Lash,
Wishful thinking but I really hope you are right, Lash.
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Leadfoot
 
  1  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 10:04 am
@Lash,
Quote:
And, this whole registry can be thwarted by any private gun transfer. Everybody-even father to son-should file documentation on the transfer of a gun. Every recipient of a gun should go through a background check and be registered in possession of that weapon.

That’s not too bad, is it?
I might agree with all that, but the only effect would be to enable an authoritarian government to know where to go to collect all the guns. I'm not currently afraid of that happening but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of it someday.

But it does not address the underlying cause of these catastrophes (which I don't think is 'guns'). Many of them are carried out by people who could pass the background check and those who can't could make their own for about the same price as buying one. Even less if you make several.

https://ghostgunner.net/products/ghost-gunner
BillW
 
  4  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 10:06 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

If it can be done, confidently effectively, in five minutes, I wouldn’t be a stickler for a day, but safety is prioritized over a quick sale. And if NRA proponents are down with that-good.


If you don't want the gun immediately, reason says that's good enough to get it now. If you want it now, you are a candidate to having to wait.

The three day waiting period is a "cooling off" rule - for one reason. It is a state imposed restriction, currently!
Lash
 
  0  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 10:38 am
@BillW,
In your state.
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Lash
 
  1  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 10:54 am
@Leadfoot,
I have heard your concern elsewhere (and I’ve shared it) about setting us all up to have our guns confiscated.

If that point is ever reached, it’s a new world. As far as I’m concerned, all bets are off if we ever reach that point. However, I think always avoiding basic improvements because of that final Orwellian fear keeps us trapped by ridiculous inaction.

If I’m not mistaken, previous violence and SSRI meds are a factor in the majority of mass shootings. I think the inconvenience of gun buyers is worth the benefits.

Do you have handy stats on gun buyers with no indicators for mass shooting who could pass a ackground check. I’m interested in updated stats. I’ll look around, too.
izzythepush
 
  4  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 11:04 am
@Lash,
Some things are beyond the pale. Now you can feel free to accuse me of procreating with farmyard animals, having miniscule genitalia or being as thick as mince. It's all water off a duck's back. These children, (and they are still children,) went through a horrific ordeal, one which very few of us could endure without suffering significant mental scars. Yet instead of hiding away they've come out fighting, resolute, determined to make America a better place. They are admirable, and attacking children who've just gone through such trauma is a hate crime and should be treated as such.

The foul conspiracy nut NRA creeps have already started with their lies and smears.

Quote:
A survivor of last week's school shooting in Florida has denied claims he is an actor with an anti-gun agenda.

Speaking on CNN, student David Hogg said he was a witness.

Conspiracy theorists online have accused the survivors of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High of being paid actors who travel between the sites of mass shootings.

David Hogg denounced the allegations on Tuesday night.

"I'm not a crisis actor," David said in an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper.

"I'm someone who had to witness this and live through this and I continue to be having to do that."

"I'm not acting on anybody's behalf."



An aide to a Republican state representative has been fired for repeating the unsubstantiated claims.


Conspiracy theorists' unsubstantiated claims online are that some of the Florida shooting survivors are actually paid actors, who travel between sites of mass shootings to push an anti-gun agenda.

Similar theories circulated on social media after the Las Vegas shooting in October, the worst in modern US history.

An aide to a Florida state representative, Benjamin Kelly, sent an email to the Tampa Bay Times repeating those online claims about David Hogg and his fellow students.

Florida representative Shawn Harrison, whom Mr Kelly worked for, fired his former aide on Tuesday night and denounced his behaviour in a tweet.

Some theorists online even suggested David Hogg cannot be trusted because his father used to work for the FBI.

One post on Twitter had the headline "Outspoken Trump-Hating School Shooting Survivor is Son of FBI Agent; MSM Helps Prop Up Incompetent Bureau", linking to a video in which David spoke in favour of tighter gun control.

Son of the US president Donald Trump Jr. was criticised for liking the tweet.

President Trump meanwhile signed an order to ban "bump stocks", modifications on guns that increase the firing rate.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/us_and_canada
McGentrix
 
  -4  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 11:08 am
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

WEAK and intellectually, a lie!


What? Are you saying that NYS does not have a ban on high capacity magazines? NYS loves to infringe on people's rights. It's a favorite past time of politicians in NYC.

I think that when you post tripe like I have quoted above, that you really do yourself a disservice. You should stop that.
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Leadfoot
 
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Thu 22 Feb, 2018 11:37 am
@Lash,
Quote:
If I’m not mistaken, previous violence and SSRI meds are a factor in the majority of mass shootings.

I don't know but will look into that.
But if true, you could draw two conclusions:

1. SSRIs are the cause and should be banned.
2. Mental illness is the main factor behind these shootings; why else were they taking SSRIs?

I'm in the second camp at this time but I'm most interested in why mental illness seems to be increasing in both number and severity. The shooting of children is horrible (and should not be ignored) but don't forget about the 80,000 suicides and 'overdose' deaths every year that constitute the 800 pound gorilla in the room. That's 220 people every day killing themselves. Many of them are children too.

revelette1
 
  4  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 11:43 am
@Leadfoot,
Personally while I do think mental health issues should be considered in background checks (Trump changed that in a hurry) I think using it in a gun debate is nonsensical.

I have asked this before and I am sure others have too, but, other countries have children attending schools with mental health issues, yet they do not have mass killings in schools anything near like we have in the US. They have adults like the Vegas shooter who might be mentally ill. I bet Cruz (is that his last name?) will not get away with using the mental health defense at his trial. If it doesn't work in the courts it should not be used in a gun debate for the same reason. Not all mentally ill persons pick up a AR-15 and kill masses of people with them.

Also, I have been reading of people modifying guns to become assault weapons. Why can we not ban the parts which makes the modifiers as well?
revelette1
 
  4  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 11:58 am
Quote:
The 19-year-old accused of killing 17 people on Valentine's Day at his former high school in Parkland, Florida, allegedly bought seven rifles in the last year, a federal law enforcement source has told CBS News. The mass shooting has renewed a nationwide debate about gun ownership, and the lack of restrictions on buying firearms.

Police say Nikolas Cruz allegedly used an AR-15 when he opened fire on his teachers and classmates at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. Since 2012, AR-15s have been used in six of the deadliest mass shootings in the country.

In Florida, it's easy to purchase any type of gun. According to the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action, no license is required to purchase and own a shotgun, a rifle or a handgun. The state does not require owners to register firearms. If you're 18 or older, you can buy as many guns as you want at one time in Florida, according to the NRA.

To get an AR-15, gun store owner Moto Adika told CBS News correspondent Adriana Diaz: "If you are a law-abiding citizen, then we can sell you that gun. The whole process can take no more than 15 minutes."

For a lot of gun purchases in Florida, it's an over-the-counter process with few barriers, which contrasts sharply with some other basics, which are increasingly regulated.

Cold medicine
Don't expect to be able to stockpile Sudafed for your winter sniffles. Florida State law prohibits consumers from purchasing more than nine grams of common cold medication like Sudafed within a 30-day period. It's also illegal to purchase more than three packages at once. This is because the medication contains an ingredient called pseudoephedrine, used to create the illegal drug methamphetamine. In 2016, 327 people died from methamphetamine use in Florida. That same year, 2,559 gun deaths were recorded in the state. You can buy as many guns as you like at one time in Florida — most gun purchases are not registered.

In order to purchase common cold medication, like Sudafed, customers are required to show a form of photo identification that proves they are at least 18 years old. Each purchase is recorded within a store's database to monitor the amount sold over the counter.

Marriage license
Hoping for a shotgun wedding in Florida? Hold your fire. State residents must either attend a premarital course or wait the mandatory three days before the marriage license takes effect. There is no waiting period for shotgun purchases in Florida but there is a three-day cooling-off period for handgun purchases, and a five-day waiting period for guns like the AR-15 in certain counties. That's waived if you have a concealed carry license.

To obtain a marriage license in Florida, both parties must be at least 18 years old. Minors must provide consent from both of their parents or a legal guardian. Photo identification is required for all ages.

Out-of-state residents are exempt from the waiting period, so elope there while the going is good.

Fertilizer
Anyone buying more than 25 pounds of fertilizer is required to register and be screened against a known terrorist list. Yes, fertilizer.

So far, so in line with gun purchases. However, there are restrictions on the amount of fertilizer you can purchase in Florida because it contains ammonium nitrate, which, when mixed with other substances, can become explosive. Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh infamously used large quantities of fertilizer to make his bomb, prompting the federal government to clamp down on the sale of the gardening compounds (15 years later).

Anti-diarrhea medication
Buying large quantities of anti-diarrheal meds? Expect to be put under surveillance in a way that won't happen if you purchase large numbers of firearms. Anyone who bulk-buys anti-diarrhea medication is likely to come under scrutiny by the FDA because the drugs have been abused. In large doses, drugs like Imodium have a similar impact on the body as opiates like heroin. You'll get high, but your bowels will stop moving.

In an effort to combat this bizarre sideline in the opioid epidemic, the FDA is asking manufacturers of over-the-counter anti-diarrhea treatments to change the way they package their products, and limit the amount of loperamide going into the medication.

Medical marijuana
Medical marijuana is available for purchase in Florida, however, it is illegal under federal law. Licensed dispensaries are only allowed to sell medical marijuana to qualified customers.

To obtain a medical marijuana card, one must first seek treatment from a physician who will later enter client information into the Medical Marijuana Use Registry.

A patient would then need to apply for a Compassionate Use Registry Identification Card. Once approved, the patient would be able to contact a licensed medical marijuana center to fill their order. Then, and only then, can you hope to get your hands on some marijuana. When Florida did its annual tally of deaths caused by drugs in 2016, zero deaths were attributed to marijuana.


CBS NEWS
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Leadfoot
 
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Thu 22 Feb, 2018 12:05 pm
@revelette1,
The parts that make a gun a true 'assault weapon' (have an automatic fire mode) are currently banned by federal law.

You must be refering to the 'bump stock' device that was on a gun used in the Las Vegas shooting. They will probably be banned soon and should be, if only for their shear silliness and stupidity. They are more likely to cause you to miss your target as they are to kill more people. If faced with a shooter myself, I would hope he was using one of the stupid things.

Quote:
I think using it [mental health] in a gun debate is nonsensical.

I think that your statement is self evidently false.

As for the school shooter's using mental health as a defense (it's not), note that 'mentally ill' is not the same as 'insanity' (which IS a legal defense).


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Lash
 
  -1  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 12:14 pm
@Leadfoot,
I place a lot of blame on Reagan’s deregulation of mental health institutions.
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Lash
 
  0  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 12:17 pm
@izzythepush,
I’m glad you and I have the freedom to express our differing views about what ‘hate speech’ is, and what people should do about it.
izzythepush
 
  4  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 12:22 pm
@Lash,
We're not on the receiving end of it. Alex Jones regularly stirs up hatred against innocent people. Imagine how you would feel if you'd lost a small child in a mass shooting only to receive death threats from complete strangers. Those Sandy Hook parents are constantly having to look over their shoulders but Alex Jones can strut about like cock of the walk with no such constraints. It's just not right.
Lash
 
  0  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 12:35 pm
@izzythepush,
Death threats are actionable by law.

That Jones guy and hordes of other public speakers are subject to slander, libel, and incitement to violence laws.

I think that should cover enough.
revelette1
 
  4  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 01:24 pm
Quote:
Florida Sheriff Rebukes NRA Spokeswoman Who Claims She's 'Fighting' For Shooting Survivors

During a heated CNN-hosted town hall event on Wednesday night, National Rifle Association spokeswoman Dana Loesch told survivors of the Parkland, Florida school shooting that she was “fighting” for them. But Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel was quick to shut her down.

Interrupting Loesch’s response to a question about assault weapons, Israel stressed that she was “not standing up” for survivors of gun violence.

“I understand that you’re standing up for the NRA … but you just told this group of people that you’re standing up for them,” he said. “You are not standing up for them until you say, ‘I want less weapons.’”

The sheriff’s words were met with cheers and a standing ovation.

Loesch was roundly lambasted at the town hall and on social media for various comments she made about gun control, many of which were misleading.

She repeatedly said that 19-year-old school shooter Nikolas Cruz, who legally purchased an AR-15-style assault rifle and other weapons, should not have been able to buy the firearm because he was an “insane monster” and “nuts.”

“People who are crazy should not be able to get firearms,” Loesch said, echoing a common misconception that mental health issues are a primary cause of gun violence. Her remark also ignores the fact that the NRA has also vocally advocated against gun bans on people with mental illness.

Netizens took to Twitter to challenge her remarks.

Loesch was repeatedly booed by the audience at the town hall, including at this moment when she suggested that the legal age to buy a gun should not be raised so young people can protect themselves from sexual assault:

Loesch was also roundly criticized on social media for suggesting that “fully-automatic firearms” existed during the time of the founding fathers.

Responding to a comment made by a grieving mother that the Second Amendment was written during a time of “muskets” and not the weapons of today, Loesch responded that “at the time there were fully-automatic firearms that were available, the Belton gun and the Puckle gun.”

Twitter did not hold back their ridicule.



CNN

Vote the NRA (republican or democrat) congressman and women out. It is time for common sense.
izzythepush
 
  4  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 01:40 pm
@Lash,
It's not though, these parents are still looking over their shoulders when they go out. A lot of the death threats are anonymous. Alex Jones is still spreading lies and strutting about.

Jones had lied, he said that Sandy Hook didn't happen. It did, that's not subject to slander and libel laws.

These people are innocent victims, doubly so. Alex Jones should be held accountable for what he's done. These people have been let down.

The problem with making free speech the be all and end all is that it gives lies the same status as truth and there should be some sanction for those who deliberately spread lies to further their own agenda.

Alex Jones may not have issued death threats himself but he inspired others to do so.

Again put yourself in the position of losing a child then having to constantly look over your shoulder because neither you nor your family feel safe. Would you feel that the current slander and libel laws are sufficient, or would you feel seriously let down by the system?

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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 02:41 pm
So let's see...an 18 year old kid can join the military, get sent to a war zone to kill and possibly be killed but if he makes it back alive before he turns 21, he can't buy a gun or a beer?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -4  
Thu 22 Feb, 2018 02:42 pm
@revelette1,
The phony CNN "townhall" was a shameful farce. I've lost all respect for Jake Tapper.
 

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