@maporsche,
Good thing you have Setanta watching your back. I almost conned you there!
Although I'm not quite sure how I distorted the facts.
The cost for the plan
is estimated at least $400 billion and that
is over $100 billion more than the state spent it total last year.
I don't believe I stated that the plan would require an additional expenditure of $4 billion, maybe Setanta can point where I did. Unless the state is spending $0 in subsidizing healthcare for Californians (which only a fool would believe) obviously some of the $400 billion is already being spent. How much? I didn't know and I didn't say because it's irrelevant to my point.
I had to laugh, though, when Setanta protested that
only $200 hundred billion in additional funds would need to be found, an amount that is more than 100% of last year's entire budget
And the idea that this astronomical amount can be funded by
only a 15% payroll tax increase?
In any case, my point wasn't the California plan itself. I didn't predict it would be passed (but hey, if it's such a great deal how could Californians not go for it?) nor did I predict that it would ultimately fail if it were passed.
Unlike Setanta, apparently, I tend to think a state that is
considering more than doubling its budget for any reason is a pretty big deal (even if it's a piece of cake to come up with a mere $200 billion) and if it's being done to fund a single-payer healthcare system that's pretty significant. It should be apparent by now that I also am not quite as sanguine as he is about how California would find the money needed and remain solvent over the longer haul. However this is currently the best domestic example of the NHS available to us
Politicians are forever telling us we can have something for nothing or next to nothing, and, let's face it, this is far more the case with politicians on the left than on the right.
"How would you like free healthcare? You would? I knew it; just vote for me and you'll have it! How will it be paid for? Hey, don't worry about that. California is filled with capitalist fat cats who can be squeezed for a lousy $200 billion. What's that you say? Might they just move their businesses out of the state and take jobs with them? Naaah! Even if they do, Silicon Valley will always be with us and those guys are always going to be the richest fat cats the world has ever known. As for the ones who leave (That is if we let them. Hehe - Know what I mean?), we'll just slap a big tax on any of their products sold in the state. California is too big a market for them to pull out of entirely. Look how it's worked with automobiles! Come again? Won't they just increase the price of their goods and services to cover the increased tax? Hey! Why are you trying to get in the weeds on this? It's over your head. We can do this thing, it's just too complicated to explain right now. Question is do you want that free healthcare? Do you?"
Whether or not any of
will happens involves speculation, and is not the main point of my comment. That point is that it
could happen and unless your experience is that you've never seen the Middle Class left holding the bag for the promises of politicians that are predicated on soaking the rich, you have to admit that it's also possible that if the bill were to pass, even if it's is wildly popular, it could run into fiscal problems (Let's see... how far back do we have to go for a good example...I know - Obamacare!)
With such a plan, fiscal problems will lead to one of two things: Increased funding with associated taxation or decreased services.
If and when such a thing happens (as it appears has happened in the UK) it will behoove everyone to ask some simple, but pertinent questions...like the ones I posed concerning NHS
Assuming that the UK demonstrators are correct about the system being broken and/or gutted unless the UK government simply misplaced a hundred billion dollars or so, that amount of money is going to have to be taken from somewhere and put back in the NHS or obtained from British taxpayers.
I'm curious to know which it is, but I would think Brits would be demanding the answers. Maybe they've already gotten them in which case I hope one of our members here can illuminate this thread as to what they are.
Of course, there is also the possibility that the demonstrators are petulant cranks and full of it, but I've yet to see anyone advance that possibility.