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hightor
 
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Fri 2 Feb, 2018 11:54 am
Typical of a culture addicted to celebrity gossip, Wolff's cryptic insinuation about Trump having some sort of affair pretty much sucks all the oxygen from the room. Whether he did or didn't has zero implications as far as policy goes. As we know, he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his base will remain loyal so if there's any point in keeping this speculation alive it's to weaken Wolff's credibility and the negative effects of his book. (Remind you of anything?)
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The White House and the GOP, of course, have tried to attack Wolff’s credibility. Trump himself, on January 13, called Wolff “mentally deranged” in a tweet (his first public remarks that day, after he finished the round of golf he was playing when Hawaii received a false missile attack alert). Even presumably sympathetic interlocutors like Stephen Colbert have pressed Wolff on why he doesn’t make public the recordings of these conversations he says he has. And some journalists have spotted small mistakes, like a Washington Post reporter placed at a meeting he apparently did not attend.
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The attacks on Wolff haven’t stuck partly because it all rings so true. But I think there is also another reason. Some critics have tried to accuse Wolff of not playing by the standard rules of journalism, by which they mean to insinuate that he’s taken off-the-record material and put it on the record. But no one has produced evidence of this. And in fact, outside of eight or ten salacious quotes, nothing in Fire and Fury seems out of the ordinary. Indeed, for quite long stretches, it reads like any conventional work in the genre. Trump himself disappears for pages at a time. The running theme is the feud between Bannon and “Jarvanka,” Wolff’s portmanteau for Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump, which is no more inherently interesting than the feuds inside any other White House. At times one can feel Wolff himself getting a little bored.
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However, there is one sense in which he doesn’t play by the usual rules. Wolff doesn’t do “fairness.” He comes to his conclusions, and he lets you know them. He doesn’t tell the other side. No New York Times or Washington Post reporter could have written this book. They follow rules that demand more “balance,” rules under which they might have been more likely to get all the small things absolutely right but would have diluted the larger truth. And so, free from that stricture of straight news reporting, Fire and Fury has performed a great public service: it has forced mainstream Washington to confront and discuss the core issue of this presidency, which is the president’s fitness for office.

NYRB
Michael Tomasky reviews Wolff's book and Frum's Trumpocracy.
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layman
 
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Fri 2 Feb, 2018 12:18 pm
@layman,
I can't copy directly from the pdf, but here's a couple of indirect "excerpts" from it:

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A memo that shows alleged government surveillance abuse has been released and includes testimony from a high-ranking government official [McCabe] who says without the infamous Trump dossier, the FBI and DOJ would not have secured surveillance warrants to spy on at least one member of the Trump team.

It also claims the FBI and DOJ used media reporting to lend credibility to the dossier, while the firm behind the dossier, Fusion GPS, briefed major American news outlets to include New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, New Yorker, Yahoo and Mother Jones.

"Steele admitted to Ohr his feelings against then Candidate Trump, in September of 2016, when Steele told Ohr, that he Steele 'was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president," the memo reads, according to an excerpt obtained by Fox News.

The memo stated that Comey signed three FISA applications for Page and McCabe signed one. Trump’s current Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein also signed at least one FISA application for Page –along with former Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates and former Acting Deputy Attorney General Dana Boente.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/02/house-memo-states-disputed-dossier-was-key-to-fbi-s-fisa-warrant-to-surveil-members-team-trump.html

A lot of disturbing facts in there. For example, apparently Steele leaked info to Yahoo, Yahoo then published an article, and then the FBI also took that article (knowing it had been planted by Steele) to the FISA court, suggesting that it was "corroboration" for the dossier.
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georgeob1
 
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Fri 2 Feb, 2018 12:32 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

I hope republicans with a straight face do not talk about classified information being leaked anymore. Well sort of, they have taken a leaf from the Russians, taking documents and editing it for propaganda purposes.

Controversial GOP memo criticizing FBI surveillance is released (WP)

Eat up Lash and layman, just the type of garbage ya'll like to eat.

Well I don't think it (the just released "much disputed GOP" Memo) contains any classified sources and methods information as is endlessly alleged by its critics.

The memo is indeed narrowly focused on the indicated defects in some FISA warrant applications - all of which appear very persuasive. It is not (and does not claim to be) a complete discussion of the question of possible wrongful Trump campaign connections with Russia. If independent sources of justification for the FISA court action later emerge, we may have a different situation: if not the investigation may be thoroughly discredited

However the rather clearly established wrongful use by the FBI of (later discredited) materials and sources, generated and paid for by political opponents in a Presidential election campaign, to a FISA court, without disclosing their source and provenance to that court, is indeed a very damning defect in the investigation, and one that from a legal perspective may taint all the evidence that may result from it.

Secondarily, the zeal, shown by the small cadre of FBI and Justice Department officials in their pursuit of this matter, contrasts rather vividly with their lassitude and studied indifference in the several far more substantially established criminal matters involving candidate Hillary Clinton. That is indeed the basis for much of the ongoing political dispute, one which will likely continue.

The wrongful use of the powers of public office, particularly in areas of law enforcement, to advance personal or political goals is indeed a serious matter which threatens us all.
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farmerman
 
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Fri 2 Feb, 2018 12:38 pm
@georgeob1,
However, the memo discredits that the Steele document was the "source" for the investigation. OOPSY.

ya know I dont trust either arty, maybe , like Edgar, Im gonna go one step farther afield . Im thinking Libertarian , (except for some of the nuthouse stuff they follow)
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layman
 
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Fri 2 Feb, 2018 12:52 pm
@georgeob1,
The memo points out that (and this was inserted at the insistence of Congress) that

1. A fisa warrant can be good for no more than 90 days.

2. Each subsequent hearing must make an INDEPENDENT showing of the existence of probable cause. In other words, ya can't just say "Yeah, what we done said last time, so just go on ahead an renew it, eh?"

3. The FBI is obligated to disclose all known facts that would call the legitimacy of a warrant into question.
Sturgis
 
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Fri 2 Feb, 2018 12:52 pm
@layman,
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Kinda strange, ain't it?


Not really.

Mueller is a meticulous man and is not going to do anything until he has all the evidence he needs in order to make a charge. One which he believes will stick and lead to conviction.

Further, holding Page until a later date may be a way of getting old C.P. to start flapping his gums. Publicly.
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hightor
 
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Fri 2 Feb, 2018 01:05 pm
I put this up the other day and am re-posting it now that the memo has been released:
The Nunes Conspiracy Theory
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Lash
 
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Fri 2 Feb, 2018 01:30 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

I haven't followed the issue.

🤡
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Lash
 
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Fri 2 Feb, 2018 01:31 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

revelette1 wrote:

I haven't followed the issue.


Yeah, we see that. And we see you haven't followed this thread at all either. But, as always, that doesn't stop you from saying that Wolff never made any such insinuation, eh?

A suggestion: It's always better to try to learn the facts BEFORE you undertake to tell everyone what the "facts" are, not after.

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georgeob1
 
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Fri 2 Feb, 2018 01:36 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

The memo points out that (and this was inserted at the insistence of Congress) that

1. A fisa warrant can be good for no more than 90 days.

2. Each subsequent hearing must make an INDEPENDENT showing of the existence of probable cause. In other words, ya can't just say "Yeah, what we done said last time, so just go on ahead an renew it, eh?"

3. The FBI is obligated to disclose all known facts that would call the legitimacy of a warrant into question.

Good points. My understanding is that several of these warrants were indeed extended past 90 days by administrative actions of senior DOJ officials. Is that true?
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 2 Feb, 2018 01:42 pm
@Lash,
What's to smear? It was clear she was scum when she tried to bully small nations.
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