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Orwellian Lie of the Day (h/t Steven Greenhouse)

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White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said President Trump will not address the ongoing investigation into collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia because no Americans care about the issue.

At Monday's White House briefing, Sanders said: “We spend more time on that than we do any other topic despite the fact that time and time again, poll after poll says that frankly no one cares about this issue

Of course, Sanders didn't cite any actual polls as there aren't any which support her lie.

Here's the truth

And it is so even with many Trump supporters

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More than a quarter — 27 percent — of Americans who identify as “conservative”
More than 1 in 10 — 14 percent — of Republicans, and nearly 1 in 5 — 17 percent — of those who lean Republican
More than a third — 36 percent — of white non-college Americans
More than 4 in 10 — 43 percent — of Americans 65 and older believe Trump interfered
More than a third — 36 percent — of white men believe he interfered

How does anyone imagine that a free and functioning democracy can be maintained when those in power lie with such facility every day?

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digby
‏@digby56
Can someone explain to me how the subject of an investigation gets to read information about the investigation against him? And then decide whether it's appropriate to make it public?

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@layman,

layman wrote:

Who knew that "filing a suit" that is going to be lost in court is "beating" someone, eh?

The fact is: Trump has lost many cases in court. How can you be sure he would win this case?

In addition, haven't you noticed the word "unconstitutional" there? Federal courts don't take Trump's order, they are independent. Trump's unconstitutional orders will be rebutted.

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@oralloy,

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It sounds like somebody's jealous of Trump's sex life.

No, it doesn't sound like that at all. Unless you think the people who brought Bill Clinton's accusers to attend his debate with Hillary were jealous of his sex life. Why wouldn't you simply see this as an attempt to rattle the guy's cage and make his denials seem foolish?

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I was really hoping that Trump would have wound up the war in Afghanistan by now. Looks like the "millennials" will be shipping their kids off to continue the good fight. What are we trying to accomplish again?

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@hightor,

Frankly, I think it is driven by the dynamics of the American war industry.

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How bad do things have to be when this guy gets upset and frightened?

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Stephen King
‏Verified account
@StephenKing
Set aside for a moment that Trump is a narcissistic, bad-tempered, lazy, and unprepared president, and consider this: the State of the Union is about to be given by a sexual predator who lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes.

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@blatham,

Nothing in your poll says anything about whether any of these people with "beliefs" give a **** about it.

Poll, after poll, after poll has shown that, cheese-eaters aside, "russia" is WAY down the list about what people care about, jobs, for example, are a much bigger concern.

ust quit lyin, willya?

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@oristarA,

oristarA wrote:

In addition, haven't you noticed the word "unconstitutional" there? Federal courts don't take Trump's order, they are independent. T

What I have noticed, and will continue to notice, is that the Supreme Court strikes down the the rulings of supposed "unconstitutionality" of the candyass Ninth Circus, and they will continue to.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

How bad do things have to be when this guy gets upset and frightened?

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Stephen King
‏Verified account
@StephenKing
Set aside for a moment that Trump is a narcissistic, bad-tempered, lazy, and unprepared president, and consider this: the State of the Union is about to be given by a sexual predator who lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes.

Well, is a new horror fiction about Trump by King in making?

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A new poll shows that 68% of Americans believe that Trump is president, while 32% deny it.

32% thought it was an issue worthy of debate 24/7, 68% did not.

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@oristarA,

oristarA wrote:

The fact is: Trump has lost many cases in court.

Extremist rulings from low-level judges don't really count.

Final rulings from the Supreme Court are what counts.

oristarA wrote:

How can you be sure he would win this case?

In general because these low-level extremist rulings tend to ignore reality.

oristarA wrote:

In addition, haven't you noticed the word "unconstitutional" there? Federal courts don't take Trump's order, they are independent. Trump's unconstitutional orders will be rebutted.

Only if they are actually unconstitutional.

When low-level judges make unjustified claims that something is unconstitutional, it doesn't count for much. We need to wait and see how the Supreme Court rules on it.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

No, it doesn't sound like that at all.

Sounds like it to me.

hightor wrote:

Unless you think the people who brought Bill Clinton's accusers to attend his debate with Hillary were jealous of his sex life. Why wouldn't you simply see this as an attempt to rattle the guy's cage and make his denials seem foolish?

I can see how parading the victims of a sexual predator in front of someone who protects that sexual predator might rattle them. Really though that was less about trying to rattle Hillary and more about hitting back after Hillary tried the same trick against him.

I can't see why it would rattle anyone to be reminded that they are a billionaire who has consensual sex with porn stars.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

I was really hoping that Trump would have wound up the war in Afghanistan by now.

What did you expect him to do, commit genocide against the Pastun tribes?

hightor wrote:

Looks like the "millennials" will be shipping their kids off to continue the good fight.

Not really. We only have a very small force there, and mostly not involved in any ground combat.

hightor wrote:

What are we trying to accomplish again?

Self defense against people who are resolved to commit genocide against us.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

Frankly, I think it is driven by the dynamics of the American war industry.

That's because you don't value the lives of innocent Americans and so don't comprehend why anyone would try to protect those lives.

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@oristarA,

She lost the election to Donald Trump! She spent 1.5 BILLION DOLLARS.

She had the media and black America in her back pocket.

You’ve got to be pretty hated to lose under those circumstances.

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@oristarA,

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Well, is a new horror fiction about Trump by King in making?

Fiction?

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We all know that you hate her. She lost because she ran a crap campaign. She out-polled Plump by more than three million votes. So it's not as though the nation hates here as obsessively as you do.

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@oristarA,

oristarA wrote:

layman wrote:

Obama and the FBI colluded to cover up his complicity with Clinton's crimes

What crimes? Have common sense: In dubio pro reo! Comey has made clear that he could neither prove nor disprove the guilty of Hillary. America has not yet abandoned the principle of presumption of innocence.

Oops! It should have been "disprove the guilt of Hillary" rather than "disprove the guilty of Hillary."

Do you guys care about such grammatical mistakes?

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@layman,

layman wrote:

A new poll shows that 68% of Americans believe that Trump is president, while 32% deny it.

32% thought it was an issue worthy of debate 24/7, 68% did not.

Give us the source.
Thank you.

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