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@Lash,

First we have this bold statement:

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Hardliner rhetoric seems to beat the hell out of paying countries off.

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Not sure how it will play out, but I DO see how bribery plays out.

Since it hasn't "played out" yet, crowing about its success seems a bit premature.

As far as your concept of "bribery" goes, maybe you could explain what exactly you mean here. Trump can willfully sabotage the Iran nuclear deal and then say it "failed" but characterizing the agreement as "bribery" seems a bit farfetched. A more prudent president, experienced in foreign policy and aided by a fully staffed and supported State Department, would be trying to promote a diplomatic solution and make it work.

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@layman,

So I guess the scene Gorka described was one of the 5% left. Anyway, so was Trump oblivious to Wolf's going to Bannon's office? Did Bannon have the power to give Wolf, a known author, access to the WH? Wouldn't that be a concern to Trump? I don't buy it. Trump is in control at the WH. For better or worse.

The administration lies so much, I wouldn't take anything they said at face value.

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@revelette1,

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My question is: Gorka said Wolf was in Priebus’ office waiting to speak to Bannon. So if Trump didn't give Wolf access in the WH nor did he ask Gorka to talk to Wolf, who did? Was it kept secret from Trump?

"Give 'em the old Trump bullshit", as Trump himself put it.

It's a ridicule-worthy dodge/lie from Gorka. Who on earth outside the WH gives instructions that WH staff - including Priebus - feel bound to follow? The Pope?

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@revelette1,

Trump trusted Bannon, a trust that turned out to be badly misplaced. From all appearances Bannon, with his proclivity for self-promotion and presidential ambitions, wanted to do his best (via leaks, or any other means) to advance the perception (see, e.g., SNL) that he was the "genius" behind Trump and that Trump was merely his puppet.

Bannon may have assured Trump that Wolffe was "in his pocket" and would only report positive things, who knows? But even assuming that's the case, not "overruling" Bannon's judgments and actions is not tantamount to "authorization." The failure to "save" a drowning man is not tantamount to murdering him, either. It appears that Bannon was playing Trump, who trusted him, at the time.

From what I've heard, after Bannon was fired, Wolffe never again got into the west wing.

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Good grief. Trump doesn't know the words to the Star Spangled Banner. Watch Here

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@blatham,

This was one of the least shocking things I saw last night

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

Good grief. Trump doesn't know the words to the Star Spangled Banner. Watch Here

Did you know that less than a week after her husband died Thelma Lou did not wear a black dress!!? Good grief.

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I've opened up this topic to keep track of what's going on post-election.

Yeah, we see. Keep on keepin track there, eh? Maybe you can recruit some more old maids to assist you, know what I mean?

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Underlining the point I made yesterday

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...“We have been very open,” [Trump] told reporters, according to the Washington Post. “We could have done it two ways. We could have been very closed, and it would have taken years. But you know, sort of like when you’ve done nothing wrong, let’s be open and get it over with.”

Except that’s never going to happen. No lawyer worth his or her salt would let a client like Trump go in for an interview. A person with knowledge of the Mueller investigation who asked to remain anonymous told me that Trump is the kind of client who would “humiliate you and destroy you because he just can’t follow directions.”

Indeed, even Trump’s own star-studded legal team seems acutely aware that allowing Trump to be interviewed by the special counsel is a recipe for disaster.

NYMag

Remember during the 9/11 investigation, that the administration would allow investigators to question Bush only if Cheney was there too (as baby-sitter, obviously) and with neither under oath and with no recording of the testimony. Trump is far, far more likely to screw up than Bush because of his pathological narcissism. "Very open" is the last thing Trump and his lawyers want.

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The real question is, who sang it best?

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@thack45,

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This was one of the least shocking things I saw last night

No kidding. Now, if that song had been about Trump, he'd know every word, pause and tonal pitch.

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And here I kinda thought that it was strict FBI policy not to discuss ongoing investigations, eh?

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Leaking Lovers? FBI pair’s texts show pattern of planting stories in press

The Hill reported that House and Senate panels are looking anew at the text messages exchanged between agent Peter Strzok and lawyer Lisa Page, who were romantically involved and exchanged anti-Trump views in their now-public texts.

They also discussed news articles and strategized on how to react. One set of texts in late October 2016 suggests they knew about a Wall Street Journal article in advance. After Page alerted Strzok to the piece’s publication, Strzok responded:

“Boy that was fast. Should I ‘find’ it and tell the team?”

Other text messages reviewed by The Hill showed the two agents seemingly attempting to track down New York Times reporter Matt Apuzzo, who has covered the Russia collusion investigation.

In another exchange, Strzok warns Page against using her work phone to hunt for information on the reporter.

“I wouldn’t search on your work phone, no idea what that might trigger,” he texted.

“Oops. Too late,” she responded.

10,000 texts, eh? Gunna take a spell to read all those, and decipher their crpytic content, I figure. For example, who is "the team," I wonder? More later.

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@blatham,

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The majority of Americans — 61 percent — do not know all the words to the “The Star-Spangled Banner,” according to a Harris Interactive survey.

Source
That's nearly exactly the number of Trump supporters, isn't it? Wink

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@Walter Hinteler,

If it was a Chuck Berry tune, 99% would know. Keyes aint no Chuck, eh?

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

Do you think South Korea is playing straight?

Yes.

So long as North Korea is at least pretending to offer better relations, it makes sense to pursue the offer. So I expect that both South Korea and the US will do so.

But I'm sure that both South Korea and the US are fully aware that North Korea is probably just playing mind games.

The war isn't going to start until North Korea starts it. Until then, everyone will just have to put up with playing along with their mind games.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

The war isn't going to start until North Korea starts it. Until then, everyone will just have to put up with playing along with their mind games.

Three words, eh?: Preemptive nuclear strike.

Sun Tzu wrote:

All warfare is based on deception.

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@hightor,

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would be trying to promote a diplomatic solution and make it work.

So would all of our military personal.
So would anyone worried about our budget.
So would anyone worried about loss of life.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

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would be trying to promote a diplomatic solution and make it work.

So would all of our military personal.
So would anyone worried about our budget.
So would anyone worried about loss of life.

Maybe not so much with someone who wants to win, eh?

Of course, it must be admitted, we've never even tried a "diplomatic solution," so who knows, I ax ya?

Where's good ole Nevvy Chamberlain when ya really need his ass, eh? We want "peace in our time," I telllzya!

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@BillW,

Bullshit, Bill. This is what you wrote:

BillW wrote:

tRumpism has moved the US back to 1898-1908 era. Yes, ultra conservatism, ie, Fascism.

The United States was not "ultra-conservative" then, and fascism did not exist. By talking about "Trumpism," you introduced a comparison to the President at that time. You just made a glib remark, with not shallow historical reference, but no historical reference at all. You were just taking the opportunity for the favorite cheap shot against Republicans, that they are fascists (or Nazis). Don't try to weasel out of it with a shallow examination of Roosevelt, and a reference to a single policy of his. It was a nasty, partisan cheap shot, and that sort ofthing does not help the national dialogue.

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@layman,

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Three words, eh?: Preemptive nuclear strike.

That would definitely limit the damage that North Korea could do. Especially if we take them down before they even develop weapons that can reach mainland US.

But realistically, we aren't going to do that. We're going to wait until North Korea nukes us or our allies and only nuke them in response to their nuclear attacks.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

But realistically, we aren't going to do that. We're going to wait until North Korea nukes us or our allies and only nuke them in response to their nuclear attacks.

Exactly. Nuke us, or try to. Think Tonkin Gulf, know what I'm sayin?

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