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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 03:47 pm
This will blow up a few heads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=233&v=m6bSsaVL6gA
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 03:51 pm
And this will blow up even more

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2017-12-31-0000/scott-pruitts-epa-reformation-re-shaping-agency
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blatham
 
  4  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 04:05 pm
Quite a lot of commentary up all over the place now on Trump's interview with NYT. Here's Ezra Klein:
Quote:
The president of the United States is not well. That is an uncomfortable thing to say, but it is an even worse thing to ignore.

Consider the interview Trump gave to the New York Times on Thursday. It begins with a string of falsehoods that make it difficult to tell whether the leader of the free world is lying or delusional. Remember, these are President Donald Trump’s words, after being told a recording device is on:

Quote:
Virtually every Democrat has said there is no collusion. There is no collusion. And even these committees that have been set up. If you look at what’s going on — and in fact, what it’s done is, it’s really angered the base and made the base stronger. My base is stronger than it’s ever been. Great congressmen, in particular, some of the congressmen have been unbelievable in pointing out what a witch hunt the whole thing is. So, I think it’s been proven that there is no collusion.


It almost goes without saying that literally zero congressional Democrats have said that there was no collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign during the 2016 election. Zero...
Vox -
more here


I don't know what to do with this "Trump is sick" thesis. Various people have suggested a cognitive decline as a consequence of natural causes or perhaps medications. Maybe. I just don't know how to evaluate this.

Incoherence, bald lies, grandiosity, very unusual speech patterns, etc have marked him from the beginning of his campaign or earlier (as in the birther rantings and lies). It's also possible that the guy is manifesting a combination of his long-term pathologies and his used-car-salesman speech habits. As he said in the quote I noted yesterday, "tell them anything, they'll believe it" (paraphrased). Or as he said in a much earlier quote, "Give them the old Trump bullshit"
BillW
 
  1  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 04:08 pm
OK, it's been a year and tRump can be judged. He IS NOT the President of the United States! He has fully proven this over and over and over again, ad infinitum. He is the pResident of the bigoted few, liars, misogynists, racist, white supremacist and the criminally insane; but, not my leader - far, far from it.
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 04:13 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Dinesh D'Souza, no less.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 04:15 pm
@blatham,
Yep, he can sling the BS with the best of them.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 04:27 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
I don't know what to do with this "Trump is sick" thesis.


Try taking it with a grain of salt.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 04:30 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

OK, it's been a year and tRump can be judged. He IS NOT the President of the United States! He has fully proven this over and over and over again, ad infinitum. He is the pResident of the bigoted few, liars, misogynists, racist, white supremacist and the criminally insane; but, not my leader - far, far from it.


And yet he sits in the Oval Office and everyone in DC calls him Mr. President to his face.

But keep on denying his presidency...It worked so well for those who did it with Obama!

Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 04:31 pm
@blatham,
Classic ad hominem...directed at D'Souza
Blickers
 
  3  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 05:56 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote Blickers:
Quote:
And Rosa Parks could have avoided a lot of trouble if she had just moved to the back of the bus. But no, she had to make a BIG DEAL out of it.


Quote Finn:
Quote:
Rosa Parks lived in a society where the vast majority of bus lines wouldn't have forced her to sit in the back, or the vast majority of luncheonettes would have served her etc etc etc.

She took a stand because to do otherwise was to surrender to oppression and she knew there was likely to be unpleasant consequences.

The lesbian couple had a right to complain. I'm not denying it. I just don't think they had to, and shouldn't bemoan the consequences of doing so,

So, you have no objection to minorities having rights, you just find them terribly obnoxious when they demand their rights be recognized by others.
BillW
 
  3  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 06:22 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
So, you have no objection to minorities having rights, you just find them terribly obnoxious when they demand their rights be recognized by others.
and, have no constitutional right to expect equality. How unAmerican can one get?
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 06:37 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Gonna work better against trump. 2018 is al
most here and our first chance to cut him off at the knees legislatively And we will
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MontereyJack
 
  1  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 06:49 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
BS is all he slings. Truth not so much. And getting kicked out og university presidencies for misconduct. Hes good at that too.
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layman
 
  -2  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 07:43 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quite a lot of commentary up all over the place now on Trump's interview with NYT. Here's Ezra Klein:
Quote:
The president of the United States is not well. That is an uncomfortable thing to say, but it is an even worse thing to ignore.

Consider the interview Trump gave to the New York Times on Thursday. It begins with a string of falsehoods that make it difficult to tell whether the leader of the free world is lying or delusional. Remember, these are President Donald Trump’s words, after being told a recording device is on:

Quote:
Virtually every Democrat has said there is no collusion. There is no collusion. And even these committees that have been set up. If you look at what’s going on — and in fact, what it’s done is, it’s really angered the base and made the base stronger. My base is stronger than it’s ever been. Great congressmen, in particular, some of the congressmen have been unbelievable in pointing out what a witch hunt the whole thing is. So, I think it’s been proven that there is no collusion.


It almost goes without saying that literally zero congressional Democrats have said that there was no collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign during the 2016 election. Zero...
Vox -


What he's saying is that virtually every politician with any knowledge has admitted there's no known evidence of, let alone proof of, collusion.

The FBI could investigate for a trillion years, still find no evidence, but even then, no democrat would EVER say there's no collusion. In fact, they would probably say, without any evidence, that they "knew" there was collusion.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 07:48 pm
@Blickers,
Yeah that's just what I wrote Rolling Eyes
Blickers
 
  3  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 07:56 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
You grudgingly admit the lesbian couple had the right to have the wedding cake baked at that establishment, but you hold it against them when they insisted their rights be recognized by the bakery's owners.

Apparently you don't hold it against Rosa Parks for insisting her rights to sit on the bus where she pleased be recognized, because she was willing to get arrested for insisting on her rights.

So I take it that the only way the lesbian couple can get your OK for the cake is to get arrested first?
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layman
 
  -3  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 08:00 pm
While all citizens are entitled to "equal protection" under the law, the U.S. Constitution has NEVER prohibited "discrimination" per se. On the contrary it allows discrimination except against specially protected classes, in AMENDMENTS to the constitution. Historically, anyone can discriminate against anyone (say red-headed people) they want to.

As recently as 2000, for example, the Supreme Court stated that, under the first amendment, the Boy Scouts of America had the right to bar homosexuals as troop leaders.

Constitutionally speaking, you don't have the "right" to demand service from private businesses.

Quote:
Nearly every law discriminates in some way by differentiating on its face or in its effect between similarly situated persons—between those who will benefit from the law and those who will be burdened by it. As interpreted and applied by the Supreme Court, however, equal protection forbids only invidious discrimination.

Invidious discrimination refers to the arbitrarily different treatment of a class of persons by the government. Discrimination is said to be invidious if the law’s classification does not rest on a reasonable and just relation to its aims, whatever those aims may be. Discrimination animated solely by bias or prejudice is invidious.


http://uscivilliberties.org/themes/3979-invidious-discrimination.html

The key phrase there being "by the government."
layman
 
  -3  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 08:24 pm
@layman,

Among other constitution rights, all citizens have the right of free association.

Quote:
''It is beyond debate that freedom to engage in association for the advancement of beliefs and ideas is an inseparable aspect of the 'liberty' assured by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which embraces freedom of speech. . . . Of course, it is immaterial whether the beliefs sought to be advanced by association pertain to political, economic, religious or cultural matters, and state action which may have the effect of curtailing the freedom to associate is subject to the closest scrutiny.'' NAACP v. Alabama ex rel. Patterson, 357 U.S. 449, 460 -61 (1958).


As far as the U.S. Constitution goes, if I own a bar, open to the general public, I can still refuse to serve your sorry ass because I don't like cowboys, bikers, people with buck teeth, or virtually any other reason, however arbitrary.
Setanta
 
  3  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 08:25 pm
Did everyone see this BS from Plump:

"In the East, it could be the COLDEST New Year's Eve on record. Perhaps we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country, but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect against . . . Bundle up!"

(Source at CNN, just one of may sources for this tweet, so no link)

Apparently, he's only president of the East Coast. The drought out west, and the fires in California don't count, huh?
glitterbag
 
  4  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 08:38 pm
@Setanta,
No one has told him that the people in Puerto Rico are American citizens either. Did you know that Puerto Rico is surrounded by a lot of water, a lot, I hate to tell you but its a lot. Trump prefers Islands that dont have water on all sides, believe me, everybody says so, everybody.
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