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@hightor,

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...but which might look sort of dumb if the average opioid-eater notices that he actually has more take home pay for a while.

This comment speaks volumes.

And you wonder how Trump got elected.

The poor rubes are just too stupid or intoxicated to understand the very complicated scheme that the Koch Bros have pulled off that will cheat them at the expense of right-wing extremist families...who also happen to be rich. But we understand it and we know that all of the authoritative sources who have made the case that it's not the diabolical con we know it to be are simply shills for the Kochs and their lot. The fools!

Nice little partisan redoubt you've created there. Now you just need to create a physical one that will keep you safe from those nasty opioid-eaters, you know the Workers who you care so much about.

If the tax plan had not passed, would the average opioid eater be taking more home for a while? How much did take-home pay increase for the rubes when Obama was president and after the first year that the Democrats controlled Congress?

I know, it's the deficit you're worried about and the long-term impact on the rubes. Smile

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@layman,

Absolutely

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Some sort of accommodations for the poor have been around in the West since the 15th century although for most of this time they weren't as luxurious as modern homeless shelters.

To what are you referring here by "the West"?
(I did some papers at university, related to English/Essex Pauper Letters, 1600 - 1834, and English Poor Laws, if you are referring to the situation in late Medieval England.)

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@hightor,

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Well, everybody could just stop paying their property taxes, right? Hell no one would miss the local fire department, neighborhood school, or mind driving on snow-covered, pot-hole filled roads. Yeah, the opioid-eaters will love it!

This is the sort of argument that completely ignores the fact that government at the local, state and federal level wastes an obscene amount of money, much of it on things the citizenry neither wants nor needs...and that everyone knows it and sees examples of it on a daily basis.

I don't subscribe to the Opioid-Eater Gazette but I doubt any of them are arguing to eliminate all property taxes, but I guess you expect them to provide their government with detailed plans of what waste to cut and how and what services to preserve and improve and how. Dumb rubes, they actually think they have elected these geniuses to take care of that.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I may have made an erroneous assumption that the rest of Europe was as compassionate as 15th century England. I didn't realize the other nations used graveyards instead of poor houses. Thanks for the clarification.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I don't think that I mentioned anything about "the nations used graveyards instead of poor houses".

The hospital in my native town, Holy Spirit Hospital, was founded in 1374 by a fraternity that existed already at least 50 years earlier. Poor and sick people who were in need were welcomed there - the needy should pray in return for the forgiveness of the donor's sins.

Of course, after reading The Hye Way to the Spyttell Hous, London [1536 ] or any other French or German book of that period about 'hospitals' and 'armhouses' you'll notice that those houses weren't exactly graveyards but just close/next to them. And only very slightly related to "homelessness".

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@layman,

layman wrote:

layman wrote:

For decades, over a century, actually, an income tax was believed by all to be unconstitutional. Not no more. Within a few years, after the socialist FDR got power, the tax rate was 94% on the "wealthy." Course, they weren't wealthy for long, but, still.....

That applied to anyone making over $200,00---reducing their "net" to $12,000. Of course no thief limits himself to stealing from the rich. By then the percent of the population being taxed had increased from 7% to 64%.

Commie: "What!? Only $188,000 for us and YOU expect to take $12,000? You want more money, boy, then make more for us. We're gunna be extremely generous to a peice of **** like you and let you take $12.000 this time. But you best get to working 50 hours a week of overtime, cause next year we're taking 99%, got it?"

We supposedly abolished involuntary servitude, but, sheeit, black slaves in the south got a bigger percent of the overall take than that, what with room, board, 100% support for the chillins, and all.

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Interesting to hear your thoughts on this article

George Neumayr
April 19, 2017, 12:04 am

Confirmed: John Brennan Colluded With Foreign Spies to Defeat Trump

Seeking to retain his position as CIA director under Hillary, Brennan teamed up with British spies and Estonian spies to cripple Trump’s candidacy. He used their phony intelligence as a pretext for a multi-agency investigation into Trump, which led the FBI to probe a computer server connected to Trump Tower and gave cover to Susan Rice, among other Hillary supporters, to spy on Trump and his people.

John Brennan’s CIA operated like a branch office of the Hillary campaign, leaking out mentions of this bogus investigation to the press in the hopes of inflicting maximum political damage on Trump. An official in the intelligence community tells TAS that Brennan’s retinue of political radicals didn’t even bother to hide their activism, decorating offices with “Hillary for president cups” and other campaign paraphernalia.

A supporter of the American Communist Party at the height of the Cold War, Brennan brought into the CIA a raft of subversives and gave them plum positions from which to gather and leak political espionage on Trump. He bastardized standards so that these left-wing activists could burrow in and take career positions. Under the patina of that phony professionalism, they could then present their politicized judgments as “non-partisan.”

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@Builder,

Builder wrote:

Interesting to hear your thoughts on this article
source

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. This is the same Brennan who is a muslim making pilgrimages to Mecca and Medina, and lied like a rug before congress.

Does THIS seem credible to you?:

Look at this deviant squirm when he lies and says he "just can't say" if any ambassador ever requested unmasking and denies authorizing unmasking on his last day in office. You wouldn't have to listen to a word he says to know he's lying, ya just gotta look at him.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Now the US ambassador to the Netherlands says sorry for 'fake news' interview debacle: "I made certain remarks in 2015 and regret the exchange during the Nieuwsuur interview. Please accept my apology."

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@Builder,

Also interesting to note that the facts for this story originated with the left-wing Guardian, eh?

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The Guardian story is written in a style designed to flatter its sources (they are cast as high-minded whistleblowers), but the upshot of it is devastating for them, nonetheless, and explains why all the criminal leaks against Trump first originated in the British press.

According to the story, Brennan got his anti-Trump tips primarily from British spies but also Estonian spies and others. The story confirms that the seed of the espionage into Trump was planted by Estonia. The BBC’s Paul Wood reported last year that the intelligence agency of an unnamed Baltic State had tipped Brennan off in April 2016 to a conversation purporting to show that the Kremlin was funneling cash into the Trump campaign.

Any other CIA director would have disregarded such a flaky tip, recognizing that Estonia was eager to see Trump lose (its officials had bought into Hillary’s propaganda that Trump was going to pull out of NATO and leave Baltic countries exposed to Putin). But Brennan opportunistically seized on it, as he later that summer seized on the half-baked intelligence of British spy agencies (also full of officials who wanted to see Trump lose).

Guardian story here: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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This comment speaks volumes.

I guess you'd have to be a cheese-eater to see it in the restricted context of this particular thread. Fact is, the opioid epidemic is a serious non-partisan, indictment of our society and I think it's fair to refer to it as a social problem which warrants attention.

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And you wonder how Trump got elected.

No, I don't.

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If the tax plan had not passed, would the average opioid eater be taking more home for a while?

Did it ever occur to you that a more responsible congress might have developed a better bill? Tax cuts aren't "free money" with no consequence to future budgets and spending plans. And buying voters' loyalty by handing out money smacks of Tammany Hall.

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How much did take-home pay increase for the rubes when Obama was president and after the first year that the Democrats controlled Congress?

Is that your criterion for good government — how much more borrowed money shows up in our paychecks? The way you talk I'm surprised you haven't rolled out George McGovern's "give everyone a thousand dollars" plan.

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I know, it's the deficit you're worried about and the long-term impact on the rubes

If you really want to know (which you probably don't), my concern is that deficits will hinder our ability to react to the economic, social, and environmental challenges which we are all sure to face as we enter the middle of this century.

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@layman,

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This is the same Brennan who is a muslim making pilgrimages to Mecca and Medina

Hmmm, but this was the line that stood out for mine.

A supporter of the American Communist Party at the height of the Cold War

How does a commie get to head up the CIA? Did he get born again?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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This is the sort of argument that completely ignores the fact that government at the local, state and federal level wastes an obscene amount of money, much of it on things the citizenry neither wants nor needs...and that everyone knows it and sees examples of it on a daily basis

This ↑ is the sort of "argument" that attempts to use the bogeyman of "government waste" as a way of rationalizing irresponsible tax cuts. Local and state governments don't have the luxury of deficit spending. Sometimes the citizenry is forced to buy goods and services that are seriously needed. Do you know how much a new fire truck costs these days? And no, I don't "see examples of it on a daily basis". What I do see, in my poor state, is an enormous need for spending on infrastructure, schools, and health services — including treatment of addiction.

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@layman,

For those who don't remember, after Brennan stated, under oath, that he DEFINITELY was not in his CIA office on Jan. 20, it occurred to him that this could easily be disproven. He then came back later and corrected his testimony.

Seems that what this guy "definitely knows" aint none too reliable and is just something he makes up on the spot, eh?

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@Builder,

Builder wrote:

A supporter of the American Communist Party at the height of the Cold War
How does a commie get to head up the CIA? Did he get born again?

Right. But, ya see, perhaps the only type more prone to disloyalty to the U.S. than a commie is a commie-ass muslim, know what I'm sayin?

To answer the question, he gets to head the CIA because he was appointed by the Marxist, muslim-loving, Obama.

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Don't look now, cheese-eaters, but the defectors are mounting and organizing:

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President of Democrats For Trump: My Party Is Suffering from 'Trump Derangement'

The chairman of Democrats for Trump reacted to repeated calls for the president's impeachment and obstructionist behavior by members of his party.

"I think it's Trump derangement," former New York City Council President Andrew Stein said on "Fox & Friends."

The deep state - Clinton [and] Obama holdovers - they're trying to delegitimize this president and they want to impeach him," Stein said, calling the rhetoric "a big mistake."

"It's nonsense," Stein said, praising Trump's tax cut law and stating his hope that his fellow Democratic New Yorker, Sen. Charles Schumer, will help Trump with infrastructure legislation.

Stein, who also served as Manhattan Borough President, said Trump needs to continue to take his message directly to the people, expressing doubt in the media's earnestness.

Full video here: http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/12/23/democrats-trump-president-donald-critics-are-suffering-trump-derangement

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@layman,

Democrats for Trump?

Isn't that a turn up for the books?

Says a lot about DNC corruption, for mine.

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@blatham,

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I hope they appreciate the gift that the citizens of America wanted them to have.

Trade "Republican politicians" for "citizens", please!

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@hightor,

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Local and state governments don't have the luxury of deficit spending.

Now we all know you live in a fantasy land.

Billions in Debt, Detroit Tumbles Into Insolvency

“This is a difficult step, but the only viable option to address a problem that has been six decades in the making,” said Gov. Rick Snyder, who authorized the move after a recommendation from the emergency financial manager he had appointed to resolve Detroit’s dire financial situation.

Not everyone agrees how much Detroit owes, but Kevyn D. Orr, the emergency manager, has said the debt is likely to be $18 billion and perhaps as much as $20 billion.

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