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Read it and weep, cheese-eaters:

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Case against Cliven Bundy declared a mistrial

A federal judge declared a mistrial Wednesday in the case of a Nevada rancher accused of leading an armed standoff against the government in 2014, blaming prosecutors for withholding key evidence from defense lawyers, including records about the conduct of FBI and Bureau of Land Management agents.

A whistleblower memo by a lead U.S. Bureau of Land Management investigator that was released last week alleges widespread bad judgment, bias and misconduct, as well as "likely policy, ethical and legal violations among senior and supervisory staff" in the days leading up to the standoff.

"The government is obligated to disclose all evidence that might be favorable" to the defense, the judge said.

The decision is the latest in a string of failed prosecutions in Nevada and Oregon against those who have opposed federal control of vast swaths of land in Western states.

Jurors acquitted the two Bundy sons of taking over a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon for more than a month in early 2016 and amid calls for the U.S. government to turn over public land to local control.

Prosecutors also failed to win full convictions against others at the tense confrontation near Bunkerville, about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas.

The feds breaking the law by withholding evidence? Say it aint so, McCabe.

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Now Rosie adds attempted bribery to the long list of crimes she's committed, eh?:

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Rosie O'Donnell Offers $2 Million to GOP Senators to Vote Against Tax Bill

Rosie O'Donnell went on a tweetstorm Tuesday night, offering $2 million to any Republican senator who would vote against the GOP tax reform bill.

Despite O'Donnell's offer, all 51 Republican senators voted “yes” on the tax bill, which passed the Senate early Wednesday morning. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who is recovering from side effects from chemotherapy treatment for brain cancer, missed the vote.

O'Donnell has long been an outspoken critic of President Trump, calling him "mentally unstable" and questioning if she'll be able to "live through" his presidency.

Well, ya gotta admit...Rosie has long experience pertaining to the topic of "mental instability," eh?

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@maporsche,

It was a pretty straightforward description of the similarities between conservatism and neoliberalism. Most other comparisons are jargon-y.

It wasn't long ago that you said the word neoliberalism didn't exist. I won't be deferring to your definition.

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@Lash,

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It wasn't long ago that you said the word neoliberalism didn't exist.

Yes, they all said that, while laughing about the term. Now, they're trying to see where they slot into the big/ger picture.

Probably because the MSM is bandying the term about now.

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@Builder,

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Yes, they all said that, while laughing about the term. Now, they're trying to see where they slot into the big/ger picture.

I'm not sure, who those "all" are, but different schools of Neo-liberalism (Freiburg, Chicago ....) are well known since at least 70 years. (Our constitution was approved on 8 May 1949.)

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@blatham,

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I've never seen anything like that before. Not in politics. The closest is a Scientologist talking about Hubbard or Squeeky Froome talking about Charlie.

Think Man think!!! It's reminiscent of Nicolai Ceausescu, Tito, Generalisimo Francisco Franco, Stalin, Kim il Sung, Kim il Jong, Kim Jong UN, Chairman Mao???? you know, all those dictators democracy outlasted and (well) just out-lived? You remember "Hoo Rah for the free world and all that quaint stuff" . Apparently the citizens of my country got bored and decided to go old school with a cock sure authoritarian who sees those poor souls as dog excremant his butler or VP Pence will scrape off the soles of his shoes. They just havent figured it out yet.

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https://pjmedia.com/trending/leftists-dox-fccs-ajit-pai-facebook-urge-insane-people-defecate-lawn/?utm_source=PJMFacebook&utm_medium=post

Is this what political discourse in this country has come to?

Disgraceful, infuriating, and depressing.

There are obviously cretins out there who think this disgusting brand of righteous retribution is equal parts heroic, gonzo, and cool.

Makes me want to block all news sources on my TV and computer and stick to watching only "Forged in Fire," "Nova," and Andy Griffith reruns.

I see it only getting worse, and only violence tops such reprehensible behavior. When enough people come to believe that filthy, uncivilized treatment of others is fully justified by their ideological imperatives and their personal judgment of who is and who is not an acceptable fellow human or an appropriate target of vigilante justice, we will find ourselves well down the road to ruin and unable to change direction.

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@blatham,

Or Joe Biden about Obama

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@glitterbag,

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They just havent figured it out yet.

LOL. You're the poster child for that group, glambag.

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Originally, Neoliberalism was not conceived as a self-serving racket, but it became one, at least as it is defined now.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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...but it became one, at least as it is defined now.

There's a lot of isms and language that have been hijacked and redirected to pad the pockets of the few, Walter.

It's up to us underlings to keep an eye on the 1%ers, and keep the bastards honest, as we say in Australia.

The feelings here, politically, are that we can't trust either of the major parties, and the independents are selling out as well. Too much money flooding in from China, to corrupt the situation.

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@blatham,

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It is certainly my experience that the number of people who misunderstand what "neoconservative" means is greater than those who do understand.

I suspect most of this misunderstanding is on purpose. None is deafer etc. The issue really IS very simple but people will misunderstand the word "table" if they see an advantage in doing so.

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@Olivier5,

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I suspect most of this misunderstanding is on purpose.

The confusion is cultivated. I would have thought you'd be aware of that.

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None is deafer etc.

None so blind as those who won't see, you mean??

When neoliberalism is part of the conservative movement, you'd have to ask why, right?

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@Builder,

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When neoliberalism is part of the conservative movement, you'd have to ask why, right?

Why would you have to ask why?

Neoliberalism has absolutely nothing to see with "liberalism" in the current American political sense of these words. Hence perhaps your confusion?

Lash is trying to tarr "liberals" (aka democrats) with the label "neoliberal", which is a rightist ideology. She tries to sow confusion and misunderstanding.

It's only working to the extent that some "liberals" here have indeed defended a laissez-faire approach to the economy as inherently superior to attempts at economic regulation. They did so because they wanted to fend off Bernie's social-democratic views.

E.g. Cyclo arguing from a purely ideological standpoint that a single payer health care system would put millions out of jobs, or that a minimum wage set at 15$/hour would kill the US economy. Their misunderstanding of "neoliberalism" as more or less equivalent to "liberalism" is also fake to a degree, ie of convenience.

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@Olivier5,

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in the current American political sense of these words.

You've nailed it in that opening line. What does this really mean?

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Lash is trying to tarr "liberals" .../

I pick this thread up about every three pages. I don't backtrack too much. Whatever you've got going with Lash isn't part of our conversation yet.

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@ehBeth,

That Globe piece is delicious.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Or Joe Biden about Obama

They were and are actually friends. Their families spent time together. They confided in each other personally. Biden chose Obama to deliver the eulogy for his beloved son's funeral. Biden and Obama lunched together once a week privately. No one who served with them ever expressed anything but admiration and respect for the strong and genuine bond between the two men, their wives and families.
It is so sadly characteristic of you to compare the times Biden spoke of his personal and professional appreciation for Obama with the smarmy tongue baths being given to Plump by his spineless crew. No one with eyes and honesty see those sad proclamations as anything but transactional dues paid in to salve a galactically outsized need for such "praise".

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@glitterbag,

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Think Man think!!!

Sorry. I should have stipulated I was referring to American politics (or the politics of any modern democratic state). As you suggest, this performance was in the realm of N Korea, Mao or the USSR.

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@Builder,

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Whatever you've got going with Lash isn't part of our conversation yet.

It's certainly part of what I am saying here: that she tries to beat up liberals with the "neoliberal" label, but it may not be part of what you want to hear.

Once again, wilful misunderstanding rules this place.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Re: blatham (Post 6560971)
Or Joe Biden about Obama

You are not even remotely in the ball park with that.

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