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blatham
 
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Sun 17 Dec, 2017 03:20 pm
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AP FACT CHECK: Trump And The False Promise Of Returning Overseas Profits
TPM

But I'm sure AP gets this wrong because Trump isn't a liar.
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blatham
 
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Sun 17 Dec, 2017 03:45 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRRmDXWX4AAXkqX.jpg:large

That's a "readout"? No, it really isn't a readout. It's a propagandist press release for Putin's stooges and for Trump's stooges.
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blatham
 
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Sun 17 Dec, 2017 04:02 pm
A chart that ought to burn itself into your memory. If it doesn't, there's something wrong with your brain.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRM9wg1U8AEgBVB.jpg
NYT
layman
 
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Sun 17 Dec, 2017 04:10 pm
The headline:

Quote:
Trump transition team charges Mueller obtained emails improperly, but legal experts challenge those claims


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mueller-unlawfully-obtained-emails-trump-transition-team-says/2017/12/16/6162f350-e2cc-11e7-8679-a9728984779c_story.html?utm_term=.6de7a12162d3

Oooh, legal experts (plural), eh? Probably all legal experts, I betcha.

The "basis" for this headline is a quotation from exactly ONE former FBI prosecutor. This "expert" offered no legal citations or authority, but merely asserted that " If it ends in .gov, you don’t have any expectation of privacy." Of course he ignores the claim that the team was assured that any such requests for information made to the GSA would be referred to the Trump team.

LEGAL EXPERTS, I TELLZYA!!!!!!
ehBeth
 
  3  
Sun 17 Dec, 2017 04:16 pm
@blatham,
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRR8i8FW0AElVzc.jpg:large

seniors
under 35's
women
independents

you all better get out and vote

(most Americans on this thread can stay home)
ehBeth
 
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Sun 17 Dec, 2017 04:50 pm
Quote:
Robert Mueller Didn't Indict Flynn, Manafort, Gates & Papadopoulus...

...A Grand Jury Did!

Robert Mueller didn't plead guilty for Papadopoulus & Flynn...

...Papadopoulus & Flynn did!

Robert Mueller didn't appoint himself Special Counsel...

...Republicans did!
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layman
 
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Sun 17 Dec, 2017 05:09 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

These emails were stolen by the FBI back in September, 2016, during the course of the campaign. No doubt they were then turned over to the Clinton campaign by those Clinton zealots in the FBI who were working to "save the country" by defeating Trump. This is spying, pure and simple, with no legal basis for doing it.


Edit: The date I used here is probably inaccurate. Although Trump established his transition team in May, 2016, it is likely that they did not use the support mandated by the Transition Act until after the election in early November, 2016. The article said the emails were surreptitiously taken by the FBI in September (or maybe August). I assumed, without an adequate basis, that was a reference to 2016. It could have been, and probably was, 2017, however.
layman
 
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Sun 17 Dec, 2017 05:22 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
Edit: The date I used here is probably inaccurate.


Then again, maybe not:

Quote:
The GSA provides both the candidates 16,000 square feet of office space -- enough for 114 people -- before the election, along with office equipment, technology and furniture, according to the MOUs.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/03/politics/what-is-a-presidential-transition/index.html

It should be noted that the GSA gives pre-election teams (none of whom are government officials doing government business) a dot-gov server for the purpose of ensuring that their communications are secured to the best ability of the government--not for the purpose of abolishing the 4th amendment in order to spy on them.
BillW
 
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Sun 17 Dec, 2017 05:34 pm
@blatham,
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/11/14/president-trump-has-made-1628-false-or-misleading-claims-over-298-days/



layman
 
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Sun 17 Dec, 2017 05:45 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
Edit: The date I used here is probably inaccurate.
Then again, maybe not:


Looking back at the article originally posted, I'm now inclined to think my first assumption may have been right after all:

Quote:
The documents were provided to Mueller's team by the GSA in September in response to requests from the FBI , but the transition wasn't informed at the time, according to people familiar with the transition organization. Officials with Trump for America learned last Wednesday that GSA officials had turned over the cache of emails to Mueller's team.

The investigators did not directly request the records from Trump's still-existing transition group, Trump for America, and instead obtained them from the General Services Administration, a separate federal agency that stored the material, according to those familiar with the Trump transition organization.


This says the documents pertaining to the "still-existing" transition team were given in response to requests from the FBI (not Mueller), in September (without stating the year). Presumably the transition team was not "still existing" after inauguration day, but I don't know that for sure.
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BillW
 
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Sun 17 Dec, 2017 05:49 pm
United States presidential transition is the transfer of federal executive branch power from the incumbent President of the United States to the president-elect, during the period of time between election day in November (on the first Tuesday after November 1), and inauguration day on the following January 20.

United States presidential transition - Wikipedia
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BillW
 
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Sun 17 Dec, 2017 06:05 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

BillW wrote:

United States presidential transition is the transfer of federal executive branch power from the incumbent President of the United States to the president-elect, during the period of time between election day in November (on the first Tuesday after November 1), and inauguration day on the following January 20.

United States presidential transition - Wikipedia


If that's what wiki says, then I'm sure it's wrong. No actual "federal executive branch POWER" is transferred prior to inaugruation day, so far as I know.



How sad, you totally lack mental comprehension Rolling Eyes
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layman
 
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Sun 17 Dec, 2017 06:14 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:
How sad, you totally lack mental comprehension Rolling Eyes


Heh, best look in the mirror, cheese-eater.

Nice try.
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revelette1
 
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Sun 17 Dec, 2017 06:27 pm
@layman,
Do you not understand or are you ignoring the Trump transition officials signed an agreement which warned GSA servers are subject to monitoring and auditing and that the GSA wouldn't hold back records from law enforcement?

They had to sign the agreement if they wanted to use the GSA. So unless they didn't read it, they should know the special counsel has a right to those emails because they signed off on it.

Quote:
Loewentritt said the transition was informed that by using government devices, the agency wouldn’t hold back records from law enforcement. Transition officials signed agreements that warn them that materials kept on the government servers are subject to monitoring and auditing, he told Buzzfeed, and there’s no expectation of privacy.


source
 

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