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hightor
 
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Fri 15 Dec, 2017 10:02 am
FBI Agent ‘Scandal’ Revealed to Be Even More Stupid Than Previously Known

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The Republican Party has spent the last two days in a frenzy of indignation over the disclosure that an FBI agent who worked on the Clinton and Trump investigations (and has since been removed) sent texts to another agent, whom he was reportedly dating, criticizing Trump. The story was driven by the curious decision by Trump’s Department of Justice to leak partial excerpts of the texts. It produced sensational headlines like, “In texts, FBI agents on Russia probe called Trump an ‘idiot’; Messages could fuel GOP claims that bias tainted Clinton and Trump investigations,” (Politico) and “In Texts, F.B.I. Officials in Russia Inquiry Said Clinton ‘Just Has to Win’” (New York Times).

The main problem with this pseudo-scandal is that nobody has ever previously expected FBI agents not to privately express political viewpoints. Indeed, to prosecute liberal bias at agencies that lean rightward and kept the Republican nominee’s very serious investigation private while publicizing the trivial investigation into the Democratic nominee is perverse in the extreme.

There turns out to be another flaw in the “scandal.” The main agent in question also wrote text messages criticizing Democrats, reports Del Quentin Wilber. His messages included calling Chelsea Clinton “self-entitled,” and mocking Eric Holder. He wrote, “I’m worried about what happens if HRC is elected.” Of course, we don’t know the context of that any more than we know it for the other texts. If the administration had leaked these texts instead or in addition, the narrative would have been completely different.

The scandal is that the Department of Justice selectively leaked private texts from its agents in order to placate the White House’s desire to discredit the special counsel. And the news media let itself get suckered.

NYMag

hightor
 
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Fri 15 Dec, 2017 10:10 am
@oralloy,
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That has been very much for the good of the people.

Yeah, it's been great for sociopaths, terrorists, and wannabe Rambos but in general I don't think firearm ownership is the keystone in the arch of civic life.
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blatham
 
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Fri 15 Dec, 2017 11:41 am
@hightor,
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The answers to both questions, alas, are depressingly familiar. They are serving their megarich donors and the most extreme elements of their base. And they get away with it because of the way they’ve gerrymandered House districts, because of an ideological right-wing media that obfuscates facts and because the one thing they’ve done astonishingly well is to make a big chunk of the country hate liberals.
Tomasky is, of course, right about this. He's also right about the following
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the country doesn’t hate liberal policies, as Professor Warshaw’s research shows. But until something big changes, it can’t get them.
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blatham
 
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Fri 15 Dec, 2017 11:53 am
@hightor,
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And the news media let itself get suckered.
This is an on-going problem and we know how/why it happens.
1) the rush to be first to report a story
2) the manipulation, by agents who play the misinformation/propaganda game, of this failing in how the news media operate.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 15 Dec, 2017 11:58 am
A must-read:

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/12/15/putins-proxies-helped-funnel-millions-gop-campaigns

The Dallas News did a very in-depth investigation of how the Russians funneled many millions of dollars of Russian money into GOP-related Superpacs in the 2016 cycle, mostly using people with dual citizenship to do so. Also into Trump's 'inauguration fund.'

Jeez, these guys are in deep. McConnell and Ryan both had to know about this.

Cycloptichorn
blatham
 
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Fri 15 Dec, 2017 12:09 pm
@revelette1,
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Are they going to be required to recite an oath of loyalty to Trump before allowed in the FBI or be involved with Mueller team of lawyers and investigators?
It's rather depressing to watch so many in the right wing media audience just suck this stuff up without thinking things through, even minimally. There are very few individuals, if any, who hold no political preferences. Do we, automatically, remove them from police forces, from the court system, from intelligence operations, etc? Of course we don't because we'd have to replace them with computer software (but it would have human designers who'd have to be checked). What is relevant is a person's behavior and whether that can be shown to be, in some important manner, unfairly or inappropriately influential.

But, once again, we can see another example where the modern right wing audience has been trained to accept such stories and to NOT think about them.
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blatham
 
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Fri 15 Dec, 2017 02:52 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Wow!

PS to all... Cylo's link above to the Dallas News piece definitely is a must-read.
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blatham
 
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Fri 15 Dec, 2017 02:55 pm
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A forged document accusing the top Democrat in the Senate of sexual harassment copied language verbatim from a real sexual-harassment complaint filed against Rep. John Conyers.

On Tuesday afternoon, right-wing social media personalities Charles Johnson and Mike Cernovich boasted of obtaining a document that would put a senator out of a job.

“Michael Cernovich & I are going to end the career of a U.S. Senator,” Johnson posted on Facebook on Monday.

The senator was Minority Leader Charles Schumer of New York, Axios first reported.

But the document was fake...
DBeast
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layman
 
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Fri 15 Dec, 2017 03:14 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:


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The main problem with this pseudo-scandal is that nobody has ever previously expected FBI agents not to privately express political viewpoints.


Not "nobody," just no cheese-eater.

Cheese-eaters fully expected Comey to exonerate Clinton before he ever investigated, for Lynch to refuse to empanel a grand jury, cut a deal on the tarmac, and assure confidantes that the Hillary case would go nowhere. They fully expected the FBI to agree to give immunity to five aides and agree to let them destroy evidence. They fully expected the FBI to ensure that Hillary got elected if they possibly could because, as the lead "investigative" FBI agent said, he's saving the world by defeating Trump. Having taxpayers foot the bill for a fabricated "dossier" full of slime was a small price to pay.
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Fri 15 Dec, 2017 03:28 pm
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The woman said that when she initially talked to Bloom she simply wanted to support Harth and had no interest in being portrayed as an accuser or receiving money. But when Bloom’s mention of potential compensation became more frequent, the woman said she tried to draw out the lawyer to see how high the offer might reach and who might be behind the money.


She did a good job of that, eh? It started at 10,000, to her church, then $50,000 to her personally as the election got closer. That was then raised to 100,000, which she sneered at, so it was raised to $200,000. But she still held out, so....

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After the woman was released from the hospital, she agreed to meet Bloom at a hotel on Nov. 6, just two days before Trump unexpectedly defeated Clinton.

The woman told The Hill in an interview that at the hotel encounter, Bloom increased the offer of donations to $750,000 but still she declined to take the money


layman
 
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Fri 15 Dec, 2017 03:41 pm
@layman,
Of course there's no scandal involved in Clinton donors offering hundreds of thousands in bribes to people willing to accuse opponents of sexual (mis?)conduct, because, after all, Clinton donors are expected to express their private political opinions by giving "donations." That's what they're there for, ya know?
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Brand X
 
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Fri 15 Dec, 2017 03:58 pm
Corker and Rubio are voting for the tax reform bill.
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layman
 
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Fri 15 Dec, 2017 04:27 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:


As the lead "investigative" FBI agent said, he's saving the world by defeating Trump.


To recap, Strzok's girlfriend referred him to this article:

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There comes a time when neutrality and laying low become dishonorable. If you’re not in revolt, you’re in cahoots. When this period and your name are mentioned, decades hence, your grandkids will look away in shame.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/opinion/trumps-enablers-will-finally-have-to-take-a-stand.html

Then she told him: "...maybe you’re meant to stay where you are because you’re meant to protect the country from that menace.”

He responded: “Thanks. It’s absolutely true that we’re both very fortunate. And of course I’ll try and approach it that way. I just know it will be tough at times. I can protect our country at many levels..."

He's going to protect the country from "that menace" (Trump) by "approaching" it as though "neutrality becomes dishonorable," eh?
ehBeth
 
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Fri 15 Dec, 2017 04:31 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Makes a lot of sense - disturbingly so.

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The Russian mob has been involved in insurance fraud in the US (primarily on the Eastern Seaboard) as well as in parts of central Canada for a few decades. Almost as fast as the regulations can be changed, they find the loopholes.

They know how our financial and legal systems work at least as well as we do.

why do I mention this? the timing of the arrival in the US of some of players - late 1970's - early 1990's

I've always thought that the connection to #45 started with Atlantic City. The Trump/Harrah casinos opened in 1982.

They Russians are always in it for the long game and they don't scare easy. The only claims I ever worked on where health care professionals were killed - Russian.

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