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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sat 31 Dec, 2016 12:46 pm
@Debra Law,
Thanks for sharing your love/hate relationships. We visited my sister for a couple of days this past week, and met my older brother who tormented me during our childhood. One issue was that we slept in the same room, and he wouldn't let me move in my own bed because that made too much noise for him to sleep. As we were leaving for home, my older brother grabbed me by the hand and said, "forget what happened during our childhood. He didn't say, forgive me.
I forgave him long ago, because hating him had more negative effects on me.
I have forgiven him, but will never forget it, because I can't.
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georgeob1
 
  -1  
Sat 31 Dec, 2016 01:11 pm
@Debra Law,
Well perhaps the country and your family haven't lived up to your expectations. What should you do about it? I'm not sure that "drawing a line " over an isolated judgment in the midst of all the complexity we face is a wise move.

We're all rather complex creatures and filled with contradictory needs, appetites, concerns and ideas. Moreover the world itself is filled with competing species, ever-changing physical and geological conditions, and episodic threats over which we have little control. Finally we all die.

" Into this world and why, not knowing
Like wind along the waste,Willy nilly blowing
..."
Your older sister was indeed correct about the referendum on gay marriage in California: the onlt democratic action in the state on the issue and if memorey sereves it passed by a wide margin. With respect to the constitutional right - there is no specific address to this in the constitution other than that such matters belong to the states. There were many other equally effectiuve ways of addressing the equal rights issue as far a s the government was concerned without compeling other to change their practices.

It might be wiser and better for the happiness of you and your family for you to rise above this relatively little "issue", that appears not to have any direct effect on those involved.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 31 Dec, 2016 01:24 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
There were many other equally effectiuve ways of addressing the equal rights issue as far a s the government was concerned without compeling other to change their practices.


But the people who are intruding their beliefs on others are those who do not approve of gay marriage. Why are they so interested in intruding into others lives with equal rights and living happily with who they love?

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Frugal1
 
  -1  
Sat 31 Dec, 2016 01:34 pm
@revelette1,
It's absolutely true.

Trump won this election against all odds.

He overcame every single enemy by meeting & speaking with the American people, something liberal progressive democrats & many republicans NEVER do.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sat 31 Dec, 2016 01:41 pm
@Frugal1,
We can't help it that a textbook racial bigot who scammed many people was elected as our president. According to Politifact, he lies more than tells the truth.
No. There's nothing the rest of us can do. It only proves racial bigotry and ignorance has no cure.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
reasoning logic
 
  1  
Sat 31 Dec, 2016 01:43 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Your older sister was indeed correct about the referendum on gay marriage in California: the onlt democratic action in the state on the issue and if memorey sereves it passed by a wide margin. With respect to the constitutional right - there is no specific address to this in the constitution other than that such matters belong to the states.


Maybe one day people will understand that a logical consistency of morality is what should dictate the laws being made.

Could you image if the majority of California was gay and they did not want to allow breeders or the opposite sex to marry in their state?
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Frugal1
 
  -2  
Sat 31 Dec, 2016 01:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yeah, but 0bama will be gone in a few days so you can once again rest easy knowing that racist bigot, that lying anti-American piece of sh!t, will no longer be in our White House. Also, there is no evidence that 0bama was ever purposely honest with the American people during his 8 years in office - none.
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Debra Law
 
  5  
Sat 31 Dec, 2016 01:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:


Based on the large number of articles and other sources I've read over the last several months and particularly in the last couple of days (i.e., reexamining Trump's childhood and his father's racism), this portion from the article you posted stood out like another flashing warning sign:

Quote:
The country now "goes through a difficult process of restoring the country's greatness and returning its global influence" and "members of the Romanov House cannot stay aloof from the processes taking place in Russia now at such an important historical moment".


Putin is saying "Make Russia great again."

You know who also used that mantra? Hitler: "Make Germany great again". Hitler also told the people his aim was to restore Germany's greatness and return it to a global power and represented himself (a narcissistic demagogue) as the only one who could be the country's savior.

Here's review on a book about Hitler that cannot be ignored:

Quote:
In ‘Hitler,’ an Ascent From ‘Dunderhead’ to Demagogue

How did Adolf Hitler — described by one eminent magazine editor in 1930 as a “half-insane rascal,” a “pathetic dunderhead,” a “nowhere fool,” a “big mouth” — rise to power in the land of Goethe and Beethoven? What persuaded millions of ordinary Germans to embrace him and his doctrine of hatred? How did this “most unlikely pretender to high state office” achieve absolute power in a once democratic country and set it on a course of monstrous horror?

A host of earlier biographers (most notably Alan Bullock, Joachim Fest and Ian Kershaw) have advanced theories about Hitler’s rise, and the dynamic between the man and his times. Some have focused on the social and political conditions in post-World War I Germany, which Hitler expertly exploited — bitterness over the harsh terms of the Treaty of Versailles and a yearning for a return to German greatness; unemployment and economic distress amid the worldwide Depression of the early 1930s; and longstanding ethnic prejudices and fears of “foreignization.” . . .


more at link: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/books/hitler-ascent-volker-ullrich.html

There is no doubt in my mind that Trump and Putin are using Hitler's playbook. There is no doubt that Trump has been a racist / fascist since early boyhood and has used Hitler's playbook throughout his life.

And Godwin's law simply does not apply. The past is indeed the key to the future and we can't remain silent while the progress we have made toward equality and civil rights is dismantled.



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Debra Law
 
  5  
Sat 31 Dec, 2016 02:27 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

Well perhaps the country and your family haven't lived up to your expectations. What should you do about it? I'm not sure that "drawing a line " over an isolated judgment in the midst of all the complexity we face is a wise move.

We're all rather complex creatures and filled with contradictory needs, appetites, concerns and ideas. Moreover the world itself is filled with competing species, ever-changing physical and geological conditions, and episodic threats over which we have little control. Finally we all die.

" Into this world and why, not knowing
Like wind along the waste,Willy nilly blowing
..."
Your older sister was indeed correct about the referendum on gay marriage in California: the onlt democratic action in the state on the issue and if memorey sereves it passed by a wide margin. With respect to the constitutional right - there is no specific address to this in the constitution other than that such matters belong to the states. There were many other equally effectiuve ways of addressing the equal rights issue as far a s the government was concerned without compeling other to change their practices.

It might be wiser and better for the happiness of you and your family for you to rise above this relatively little "issue", that appears not to have any direct effect on those involved.


Georgeob1: It has been apparent to me for quite some time that you're anti-gay, anti-black, anti-equal rights/civil rights, anti-social programs, anti-education, and the list continues. In other words, I see you for the supremacist and oppressor that you are. That makes me sad. Why didn't the massacre of millions of people in Nazi Germany teach you anything? Perhaps you think that's a relatively little issue and that we all should rise above?

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
giujohn
 
  0  
Sat 31 Dec, 2016 03:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I put you on Ignore, but you're full of it as always.
That you can't even do a search on Trump's scams and lies is a testament to your ignorance.

Trump, scam artist: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/even-trumps-charity-is-a-scam/2016/09/14/9463468a-79ee-11e6-bd86-b7bbd53d2b5d_story.html?utm_term=.0824bde6832f

Trump the liar: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431755/donald-trumps-huge-lies


The only one lying here is you...you dont have any of us on ignore.
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giujohn
 
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Sat 31 Dec, 2016 03:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I've often wondered why the Obama administration has done absolutely nothing to counter the Russian/Chinese hacking of our government/public/private cyberspace.
They claim they can't reveal what they're doing, because it'll reveal it.

I wonder.


Because they were sure Hillary was gonna win...It was only after they were blind sided that Obammy decided to take action.
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blatham
 
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Sat 31 Dec, 2016 03:35 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Your link here is to the Huffington Post which itself refers to "reports from various progressive advocacy groups". At best only vague rererenced to the alleged omissions is provided. None of the specifica are well-known or widely reported

There are internal links to the reports which themselves have internal links. The data backing the claims is right there but you'd have to actually read stuff.

Quote:
None of the specifics are well-known or widely reported.

That's false. I've posted earlier reporting on his failure to provide full data of the sort that he obviously believes would do his reputation harm days ago.
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giujohn
 
  -1  
Sat 31 Dec, 2016 03:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Spying has been on-going between countries for many generations.
The biggest issue today is who is going to use the first nuclear bomb.
It's been properly identified as MAD.




MAD is not a threat anymore...It's which ISIS crazy gets a suit case nuke.
georgeob1
 
  0  
Sat 31 Dec, 2016 03:40 pm
@Debra Law,
You are dead wrong in just about every category of your preemptive judgments about me. Though I do reject the contemporary group identities imposed on us by current fashion , as well the associated distortion of our constitution, which addressed the rights of individuals as opposed to groups. My experience in life has taught be that individal variations everywhere are generally greater and far more significant than the supposed differences in these group identities. I have also observed that little lasting good has been accomplished by government action based on such group identity.

Finally I recognize that the only real solution to these issues is the recognition of the significant individual qualities of people in preference to the relatively insignificant group categories with which we currently label them. The assumption that increased government directed and enforced efforts to correct past wrongs, with even more group identity based enforcement, won't have far worse and lasting adverse side effects than the thing it ostensibly seeks to rectify, strikes me as ludicrous.

I have longed practiced those principles in my daily and professional life, while, at the same time, trying hard to avoid the sappy banalities of political correctitude.. It has served me very well indeed.

Do you really know that the Extermination of Jews in Europe during WWII "didn't teach me anything" or indeed that I needed to be taught anything at all in that area? It seems to me that you are being rather presumptuous and prejudicial... not to mention undeservedly offensive.

Mass exterminations are a continuing feature of the modern world - from the extermination of native peoples in the new world (largely, but not all, through inported diseases) ; to the famines in Ireland which killed 4 millions in a three year period the 1850s (all while the country was a net exporter of food to England , from farmland seized and appropriated by the English) to the extermination of the Circassians by Nicholas I in ~ 1875; the extermination of Armenians by the Ottomans in 1915; the extermination of Ukranians, Lithuanians Tatars and irreconcilables by Lenin and Stalin; the Holocaust in WWII Europe; and the exterminations of Mao on China and Pol Pot in Cambodia that followed. The list is long indeed. The still ongoing extermination of non Moslems in Mesopotamia, Syria and Africa suggests we have not seen the last of it. .

It appears there may be far more to this than you to realize, acknowledge or even understand.
blatham
 
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Sat 31 Dec, 2016 03:43 pm
@Debra Law,
Quote:
Shouldn't the fourth grade snot be washing out the **** stains in his shorts instead of taunting his "many enemies"?

At the very least, this guy is a putz. But that's far more generous than I'm prepared to be.
Quote:
Quote:
“We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty…We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason.” – Edward R. Murrow

If you think 2016 has been a wild and rough ride, just wait ‘til you get a load of 2017.
Given everything we know about Donald Trump from his divisive, demagogic presidential campaign, the next four years will be a stress test for the American system.
LINK
That bolded portion is exactly correct. I wish I had more confidence the system will be able to bear what's coming over the horizon. Because it is the system which is coming under attack.
giujohn
 
  -1  
Sat 31 Dec, 2016 03:43 pm
@tony5732,
tony5732 wrote:

Absolutely not. Russia had reasons for doing what they did. However, all they did was tell the truth. They didn't lie, they didn't destroy anything, they just gave information that was true to US citizens.

Basically they said Hillary is bad for your country, you are being lied to. here's proof.


The information did not come from the Russians. Julian Assange said it did not come from the Russians or a nation state...He has never lied in the 10 year history of Wikileaks.

It's another fake news story perpetrated on the public by Obammy like the Benghazi video lie.
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giujohn
 
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Sat 31 Dec, 2016 03:51 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Horrible to have such a president coming in. How are we to respect such a man when he has no respect for the people he is supposed to be serving as President?


He's expressing love for his enemies...Isn't that what Jesus did?
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giujohn
 
  0  
Sat 31 Dec, 2016 03:58 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Even if true, which is a slim save btw, clearly, Trump has trouble with the First Amendment of the Constitution and the freedom of the Press. Conservatives love to bring up the founding fathers, clearly, the founding fathers thought the expression of the freedom of the press so important it was included in the first amendment along with religion and the right to assembly and speech.



With rights come responsibility...So should we have excepted the yellow jounalism of the 1890s?

Personally, I'd love to see these assholes in the MSM be sued for malpractice...All we want is common sense media control...(sound familiar?)

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blatham
 
  3  
Sat 31 Dec, 2016 04:03 pm
From my post just above on Murrow and the press
Quote:
Even now, we are seeing success among news organizations that have maintained the courage of their convictions rather than simply playing to the lowest common denominator. The New York Times is seeing a surge in subscriptions since Trump's unexpected win while the Washington Post has achieved profitability. At The Daily Beast, we have seen another record year in terms of traffic and revenue, reaching more than 1 million readers a day with high loyalty and engagement - more than doubling our traffic from four years before. The lesson is clear: quality journalism attracts a quality audience.

I've been writing about this a bit previously. Major newspapers have dropped their normal behaviors because of the dire nature of the present situation. It's one of the good signs.
 

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