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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 6 Dec, 2017 12:33 am
@ehBeth,
And doesn't that provide further perspective on what has happened in modern conservatism
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blatham
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2017 12:36 am
@BillW,
That doesn't sound the least bit dangerous. But thank god Ollie North is there to keep things on the moral/legal straight and narrow.
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blatham
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2017 12:40 am
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Re: blatham (Post 6551073)
I'm so pissed off I'm stuttering.
I'm a stage passed that. I'm now into assassination fantasies.
layman
 
  -3  
Wed 6 Dec, 2017 12:43 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

I'm now into assassination fantasies.


As if we didn't already know that, commie-boy?
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blatham
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2017 12:47 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Well, you're removing the actual argument being made and substituting it with a straw-man, so of COURSE it sounds melodramatic.
Exactly so.
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blatham
 
  1  
Wed 6 Dec, 2017 12:52 am
@Cycloptichorn,
How utterly surprising that Lash - the Sanders supporter - would advance right wing memes here as she does in every second post (some semblance of a cover-story having to be attempted)
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blatham
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2017 12:58 am
@revelette1,
Yeah. This apparent 180 degree shift by Sessions comes as no surprise.
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 6 Dec, 2017 01:12 am
@glitterbag,
That [Manafort] story is so weird. Could he be that stupid? Could his lawyers have so little influence on him? Totally weird.
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blatham
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2017 01:26 am
@Walter Hinteler,
As noted in Beth's piece, this shift has only come after the recent change in polling for this race. I would guess that McConnell and Trump have somewhat different motivations (McConnell to hold his position and Trump keeping base happy AND avoiding looking like a loser which is clearly what frightens him more than anything)
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blatham
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2017 01:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Public statements and messaging documents obtained by The New York Times show a concerted push by Republican lawmakers to discredit a nonpartisan agency they had long praised.
Only the noble of heart are called to bear the burdens of such mendacity.
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Olivier5
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2017 01:31 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Ok so in the space of 2 posts you moved from "everybody is doing it including Putin so chill out" to "no no no Putin didn't do it to us." A fine example of your capacity for logical consistancy.

But then, you also deny climate change, so there's nothing new to your capacity to delude yourself.

You're problably convinced that, now that Trump is president, you can say "Merry Christmas" again... So a Merry Christmas to you and whoever else lives in your fantasy island.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 6 Dec, 2017 01:42 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Yeah. This apparent 180 degree shift by Sessions comes as no surprise.

This imaginary shift is only apparent to people who don't comprehend either the law or the Constitution.
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oralloy
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2017 01:43 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
Attorney General Jeff Sessions argued in 1999 as an Alabama senator that President Clinton could be removed from office for obstructing justice amid an investigation into his relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.

And rightly so. However since Bill Clinton did obstruct justice (when he ordered Betty Curry to seize gifts to Lewinsky before the Starr investigation got ahold of them) and the Democrats said it was OK for him to obstruct justice, they now have no standing to complain about obstruction by a Republican president if such a thing were ever to happen.

But that's all beside the point, as Trump has not in any way obstructed justice.


Quote:
His argument during the Clinton impeachment trial more than two decades ago contradicts the claim of President Trump's personal lawyer that the president cannot legally obstruct justice.

Except that is not what Trump's lawyer is saying.

The lawyer was merely pointing out the very real fact that it is not obstruction of justice when the President orders that an investigation not be pursued, and not obstruction of justice when the President fires an underling whose actions he is not happy with.

You see, unlike these goofy leftists who pretend that there is an imaginary version of obstruction that outlaws these things (and somehow supersedes the Constitution at the same time), the lawyer is talking about the obstruction statute as it exists in reality.

Pointing out the reality that these acts by the President do not in any way count as obstruction are not a claim that a president can never commit obstruction of justice. It is merely saying that these specific acts by the President do not amount to obstruction.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2017 02:03 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Well, you're removing the actual argument being made and substituting it with a straw-man, so of COURSE it sounds melodramatic.


What do you presume the actual argument being made is and just who is making it?

Trump has been, repeatedly, referred to as Putin's puppet in this forum and externally. Whether or not you have ever made the argument that he has been turned into a puppet by Putin being able to blackmail him is something I would have to search for, but I don't need to know that it's not at all a strawman. You very recently advised that you don't pay much attention to the views of your fellow liberals because you don't need them to tell you what you think and I get that you prefer to focus on telling them and everyone else what you think and why those who disagree with you are wrong (and they know it!), but if you're going to defend the people you don't care to listen to, it would make your defense a tad stronger if you knew what you were defending.

Blickers very recently in this thread asserted with total conviction that Putin had Trump on strings because he also had the goods on his money laundering. Considering that Trump hasn't attempted to withdraw the US or it's support from NATO nor lifted the sanctions imposed on Russia for both their adventurism in The Ukraine and leaking hacked email from Podesta and the DNC, the assertion is not simply melodramatic, it's absurd. Blickers doesn't even contend that Trump actually has paid the piper, his response is "He (Trump) can't get anything done...even his betrayal of the US and the West" or "Wait, there's still time."

Olivier asserts that the Kremlin is currently engaged in a hostile takeover of the White House, and you don't consider that melodramatic? If not, why not, because it is accurate?

These arguments and others (Just take a look at BillW's posts over a period of hours) sound melodramatic because they are melodramatic.

You are very proud of the research you believe buttresses your positions and so I imagine you will be very glad to present how you conclude the Russian Dossier has been proven to be accurate. It must be flying way below the radar because I've not seen it, but then I'm not jacked into a 24 hour detailed news feed so it's quite possible I missed it. And the MSM's sense of decorum and reluctance to venture into the salacious when it comes to a president would explain why proof of Trump's fondness for Golden Showers was not highlighted.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2017 02:16 am
Quote:
US President Donald Trump will recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital, senior administration officials have said.

He is due to announce the controversial decision in a speech later.

Mr Trump is also expected to approve moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, but not for several years.

Israel welcomes the changes but the Palestinians and Arab leaders have warned they will jeopardise any Middle East peace process.

Saudi Arabia, an ally of the US, called the changes "a flagrant provocation to Muslims".

Israel has always regarded Jerusalem as its capital city, while the Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a future Palestinian state.

In recognising Jerusalem as Israel's capital, the US becomes the first country to do so since the foundation of the state in 1948.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-42246564
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 6 Dec, 2017 02:44 am
@izzythepush,
Kushner is doing a bang-up job bringing peace to the region.
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 6 Dec, 2017 02:53 am
Charter member of Bigots R Us defends his arm from aggressive homosexual attack
‘Look, I’m a heterosexual’: Pa. lawmaker brings meeting to halt after male colleague touches his arm
Definitely worth watching the video.
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 6 Dec, 2017 03:01 am
Christine Keeler has passed away. This seems to me relevant to the thread because it was when reading about the Profumo affair that I began to consider a career as a Russian spy.
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blatham
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2017 03:06 am
Today's Must Read
Quote:
Donald Trump’s presidency has coincided with an unprecedented partisan divide in attitudes toward the press, with Democrats’ confidence soaring as Republicans’ trust plummets, according to a new study.

The research was presented yesterday at a journalism ethics summit organized by the nonprofit journalism think tank the Poynter Institute, which I attended along with dozens of journalists and advocates keen on discussing how to strengthen the public’s trust in the press during the Trump administration. The summit came in response to unprecedented attacks on the press from a president who has called the media the “enemy of the American people,” and over the course of the day, academics, advocates, and mainstream and conservative journalists participated in panels with titles like “Avoiding the ‘Enemy of the People’ Trap: Covering the President without Politicizing the Press.”

But as Brendan Nyhan, a professor of government at Dartmouth College and one of the study’s co-authors, explained during his presentation, journalism's credibility problem with the right goes beyond coverage of Trump. “The bad news is the stabilities of these attitudes,” Nyhan said, noting a consistent decline in Republican confidence in the press over two decades of data, which he suggested “means they are likely to be here long after Trump leaves the political scene.”

How should journalists respond in an era in which Democrats trust the press and Republicans don’t?
MM
Olivier5
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2017 03:51 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Charter member of Bigots R Us defends his arm from aggressive homosexual attack
‘Look, I’m a heterosexual’: Pa. lawmaker brings meeting to halt after male colleague touches his arm
Definitely worth watching the video.

Hey, his colleague made him feel uncomfortable... #meeeeetoo.
 

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