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blatham
 
  5  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 04:38 pm
@georgeob1,
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Perhaps you are unaware of the several travesties of justice perpetrated on several campuses

I am. I was a victim of a false accusation (actually, a prank, but it functioned the same way). And I'm aware of the project that David Horowitz and others have been at for a long while. But such accusations, as ugly and damaging as they are, pale in comparison to the incidents of sexual attacks on women. As you know, that's a feature of the military as well.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 04:44 pm
@blatham,
I have served on the Santa Clara County Grand Jury in 2003-2004, and our efforts did make a difference in our county. Changes were made in city and county governments from our reports, and one Mayor was dismissed.

On a larger scale like the state or country level, our one vote or voice hasn't much impact.

I have written to Senator Feinstein to vote against the war in Iraq, but she said with the information they had, she had no choice. It was about WMD's.
Our country kicked out the UN Weapon's Inspectors to start that war, and after they started their war, WMDs were not found. We ended up killing many innocent people for their mistake.


Frugal1
 
  -3  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 04:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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The biggest issue today is who is going to use the first nuclear bomb.


0bama's actions have increased the number of potential bombers to include his muslim brotherhood - his legacy is dripping with blood.
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blatham
 
  3  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 04:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I understand. One letter won't matter in almost any case. Many letters can matter (the religious right got organized and learned the efficacy of this strategy). But I'm getting on as well and share with you a hope that the young kids, with their passion and energy, will see the need to become activists.
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 04:57 pm
What happens when your government falls under the effective control of energy industries?
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A webpage run by the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources used to explain to visitors that climate change is both occurring and is the result of human activity. Now, visitors to the same webpage will find false information claiming that the cause of climate change is still a matter of scientific debate.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported that the department, which is in charge of the state’s environmental policy, among other things, quietly scrubbed language from a page about the Great Lakes and climate change, striking out entire sentences about human contributions to climate change.

The website used to explain that “Earth’s climate is changing. Human activities that increase heat-trapping (‘greenhouse’) gases are the main cause,” and went on to discuss how climate change might affect Wisconsin directly — longer summers, shorter winters, changes in precipitation patterns.

Instead, the webpage now reads: “As it has done throughout the centuries, the earth is going through a change. The reasons for this change at this particular time in the earth’s long history are being debated and researched by academic entities outside the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources.”
LINK
As I've mentioned before, here in Canada under the conservative Harper government, all science findings produced by or for the government was subject to total control by the Harper administration. NOTHING was allowed to be published or mentioned anywhere without govt approval. Scientists were strictly disallowed to speak with any reporters etc on their findings. This was in support of key industries, most particularly oil.
Frugal1
 
  -2  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 05:02 pm
@blatham,
You do know they found WMD, right?
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 05:07 pm
@blatham,
Corporate America is showing higher profits, but it's not being shared with the workers. It seems a few to none studied economics where higher wages means more spending and more demand for goods and services - increasing more jobs.
Henry Ford understood this when he paid his workers enough to buy what they were building. Not many companies follow this policy.

Which companies pay the least.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/08/lowest-paying-companies_n_6126992.html

Which companies pay the most.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/20/pf/highest-paying-companies/index.html
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tony5732
 
  -2  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 05:08 pm
@blatham,
Absolutely not. Russia had reasons for doing what they did. However, all they did was tell the truth. They didn't lie, they didn't destroy anything, they just gave information that was true to US citizens.

Basically they said Hillary is bad for your country, you are being lied to. here's proof.
Baldimo
 
  -2  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 05:14 pm
@blatham,
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Many letters can matter (the religious right got organized and learned the efficacy of this strategy).

I'm confused. I can't keep it straight as to which way things really work. Is it the 1% who call all the shots on the right or is it the people?

In light of the things that have been passed in the last few years, it would seem the religious right doesn't have any power at all. Sure they complained but they didn't really have the power to do anything about it. People such as myself left the GOP because of the social issues and where some of the politicians stood. It was also the reason why I stopped being a member of the Tea Party. It was a tax movement and against a majority of the GOP politicians who bought the Dems line about "to big to fail". When the social policy GOP started to worm their way into the tea party and turn it, I jumped ship again. The social issues really have no bearing for me anymore.

georgeob1
 
  0  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 05:14 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

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I find it difficult to believe you were unawware of any of these actions.

I wasn't. My request was for back-up information on your charge that Obama did or said nothing about them.


Did you suppose that I was unaware of these matters, even as I made a general reference to them?

I could argue that you are trying to insult me. You routrimely make equivalent statements without any such "back up" and I note that much of what it appears you consider as back up is in fact second or third hand opinion sources. Is that "back - up" ?
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 05:18 pm
@tony5732,
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they just gave information that was true to US citizens.

And what is your understanding of this information? How/where did you learn of it? I gather you didn't read the thousands of emails
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 05:21 pm
@georgeob1,
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Did you suppose that I was unaware of these matters, even as I made a general reference to them?

The question would be, how might you be aware of them? In what manner did you become aware of them? What are the specifics? You surely understand that no one has any reason to accept your thesis merely from your assertion.
tony5732
 
  -1  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 05:23 pm
@blatham,
James Comey's review of the FBI investigation on Hillary.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wbkS26PX4rc

Plain as day
Baldimo
 
  -2  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 05:35 pm
@blatham,
Wikileaks.

Yet they claim that they didn't get the emails from Russia, they claim to have gotten the emails from someone inside the DNC who was tired of working for a party who was screwing over their own voters by rigging the primaries.

We didn't need to read the emails, the news reported on them, which was one of the few times they actually did their jobs this election. I'm pretty sure they spent more time on the grabbing pussy story and the women who claimed to have been touched by Trump than they did on John's Podesta's emails and the DNC the fraud committed.
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Debra Law
 
  4  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 06:32 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

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I don't have any proverbial cake right now. Average U.S. citizens like myself (and I have it somewhat better than many others) don't have any choice between eating or not eating cake because there is NO CAKE.

You are a lawyer, you are not the average American. You are an intellectual elitist, you are not an average American. You wouldn't know average American if they sat next to you at Denny's. Do you even eat Denny's?

Quote:
No cake for progressives. No cake for conservatives. NO CAKE.

8 years of no cake and now you are worried?

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I voted for Obama in 2008. I didn't vote for him in 2012. I strongly believe the Democrats squandered the popular mandate they were granted in 2008. Although some blame can be placed on Obama's shoulders, I place most of the blame on the political parties.

Obama is a Democrat and has ruled just like a Democrat. He fixed nothing and blamed everyone else. It was his policies that have been at work, he promised to "fundamentally" change the US, did you forget that? You could blame the GOP, but they were doing what they were asked to do by the people who elected him. This can further be proven by the continued loss of seats in Congress for the DNC.

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How many years and decades should people listen to the lip service politicians pay & play to their concerns before they stop believing the liars? Politicians in both major parties lie, lie, lie, and emerge every so often to toss out hunks of red meat. They paint portraits of non-existent enemies (e.g., guys who don't look like you; guys who don't pray like you; etc.) and transfuse hate into bloodstream of the people. Divide and conquer. Most politicians are not public servants; they inevitably serve the interests of the people who arrange for big money to slide into their pockets.

To be honest, Obama did a major portion of splitting the country up by himself. His has been a racebaiter since he got himself involved in Professor Gates proplem at the start of his admin. "The cops acted stupidly." His words not mine.

I'll agree on the rest of this, it's why I voted for Gary Johnson in Nov and left the GOP around the end of the 2012 election.

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And now ... at least for the next four years ... the big money people really won't need most of the politicians as their paid middlemen because Trump is putting them in charge.

Wrong, there is still a Congress that has to pass laws and our system of checks and balances is still in place. You now seemed to be worried about Executive Powers, when you defended Obama use of them. I have a video for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymrBzgssSY8

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I expect a lot of wealth is going to slide into a lot of pockets over the next four years, but not into my pocket nor in your pocket. It will be the pockets of the very rich who will get richer--even more extravagantly richer than they already are. I don't expect middle and lower class people to benefit at all from Trump's presidency.

How is that any different than the 8 years prior?

When the regulations are changed, you will start to see more money made by those not at the top. Banking regulations have kept a lot of people from starting their own business's thanks to Obama's rules.

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Trump isn't going to "fix" anything. When are we the people--the electorate--going to smarten up?

I said this very same thing after Obama had been in office for 2 years, and I was proven correct. Now we will see if you are correct.


You don't know me at all. Pretending you do is just that: pretending. And mocking and devaluing education is a problem. Defunding education is a problem. An uneducated electorate, however, is much easier to manipulate. The uneducated, whom Trump proclaims to love, gobble up propaganda and serve as useful idiots.

No cake for decades. If you believe the proverbial cake only went missing over the last 8 years, then you might be among the uneducated. I hope you're not among those people who gobble up propaganda with a voracious appetite.

You say Obama didn't fix anything while acknowledging that obstructionists stood in the way of progress. Why didn't the obstructionists do some fixing then? Who were obstructing the obstructionists?

I think Obama tried to mend relations between the races, but I believe it was the racists who were offended that a black man was sitting in the White House and had the audacity to criticize a cop. There are far too many racists in this country who have done nothing but tear President Obama to shreds. That is troubling.

It's the people occupying positions of power in the executive branch that execute laws or fail to execute the laws. Bureaucrats and heads of agencies wield enormous discretionary powers. And that keeps our courts very busy with lawsuits alleging misapplications of the law or abuse of discretion. And who appoints the judges and justices in the federal court system? Well, that would be the President with the advice and consent of Congress. Checks and balances might not work, and that's why the people must remain vigilant. Fighting amongst ourselves over red meat issues makes us less powerful. When we do that, when we eagerly divide ourselves, then we're just useful idiots.

When the regulations change as you say they will, then I'm sure that an abundance of money will flow into the pockets of the richest of rich. Maybe some of that money will trickle down to you. More likely not. More likely you and your children and grandchildren will suffer grave harm caused by deregulation and the lack of oversight. There's no question that our environment will also suffer grave harm, and what will people do when our environment can longer sustain life? I suppose you're okay with toxic waste in your back yard and contaminated drinking water?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 06:38 pm
@Debra Law,
No matter how many tried to shred Obama, he still enjoys a 56% approval rating. Pretty good in my books, considering the republican congress.
It's still a mystery that Trump didn't suffer much from his five year birther lies - and many other lies.

I guess we just have to put up with how Americans vote for a racial bigot, scammer, and liar.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/opinion/donald-trumps-bigotry.html?_r=0

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/11/24/Donald-Trump-s-8-Most-Recent-Blatant-Lies

https://www.businessesgrow.com/2010/02/11/twitters-biggest-scams-part-4-the-trump-network/
georgeob1
 
  -1  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 06:38 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Did you suppose that I was unaware of these matters, even as I made a general reference to them?

The question would be, how might you be aware of them? In what manner did you become aware of them? What are the specifics? You surely understand that no one has any reason to accept your thesis merely from your assertion.


Well if, as you indicated, you already knew the truth of the items I listed -- all of which have been widely reported and discussed, and which arguably are common knowledge, -- then you knew that the proposition I advanced was true when you read it. Why then did you make the assumption I wasn't aware of the obvious facts behind the assertion I made?

My strong impression is that you routinely make equivalent general statements that are based on much less widely known information. On what basis do you expect others to accept what you say without challenge?
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 06:55 pm
@tony5732,
You understand that the FBI probe of Clinton's server (which the video from Reason) and the wikileaks release were different things?
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 07:06 pm
@georgeob1,
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Well if, as you indicated, you already knew the truth of the items I listed -- all of which have been widely reported and discussed, and which arguably are common knowledge, -- then you knew that the proposition I advanced was true when you read it.

That doesn't even begin to make sense. Russia moves into the Ukraine. No kidding. But then you go a thousand miles south and make the claim that the Obama administration did nothing and said nothing. And for this claim, and the others, you provide no evidence that your claim is accurate.

And the claim is false. Read under "US and NATO military response"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_in_Ukraine_(2014%E2%80%93present)#US_and_NATO_military_response

This year, in July
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In a historic speech in Canadian parliament US President Barack Obama has once again called Russia an aggressor state, and called on the allies to send a strong message of solidarity and commitment at the next week's NATO summit in Warsaw.

"When nations violate international rules and norms, such as Russia's aggression against Ukraine, the United States and Canada stand united, along with our allies in defence of our collective security," Obama said to Canadian lawmakers.
LINK

From 2014
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Ukraine crisis: Obama attacks Putin over Russia's role
LINK

I'll stop there.
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georgeob1
 
  -1  
Fri 30 Dec, 2016 07:10 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

You understand that the FBI probe of Clinton's server (which the video from Reason) and the wikileaks release were different things?
There were indeed multiple sources for most of the issues surrounding Hillary's "extremely careless" handling of classified material as well as her routine correspondence. They included released e mails from her server (actually her lawyers who "reviewed" them); other e mails not released by her but found in the files of various recipients icluding the Weiner computer; reports and information isuued by the Sanders campaign involving the underhanded DNC connections; statements from some media sources; as well as the DNC e-mails we assume were leaked by the Russians to Wikileaks.

All pointed at the same things - the systematic efforts of the Clinton campaign to hide correspondence and information from authorized legal inquiry; gross negligence in handling classified material; pay-to-play activities involving the Clinton Foundation and Hillary's influence as Secretary of State; unethical collusion among the Clinton Campaign, the DNC and some liberal media outlets to distort the primary and subsequent election campaigns ("hacking" the election anyone?); and a pattern of lies by the candidate.

So what is your point?
 

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