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@cicerone imposter,

Re-read your post again and think about why he was elected. You lefties say this same thing about every GOP candidate and I think people were done with the scam by the left leaning media.

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What amazes me about Trump is his pathologic lies that's been studied by Politifact to be over 90%, and yet win the favor of American voters and the presidency.

I think the people who voted for Trump looked at the media as the boy who cried wolf. It was said so many times about so many different candidates that no one believed it.

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He's not even a good businessman. If he had invested his money in index funds, he'd be much richer today.

If he had invested his money, he wouldn't be a business man. You wanted him to make his money the easy way instead of the hard way. Only leftist can see taking a couple of million dollars and turning into a couple of billion as failure. Of course just investing his money over the years is no guarantee either, the market dips and climbs and you have to make the right investments.

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He's also declared bankruptcy four times (some say 7 times).

You mean he has declared bankruptcy with his business's and not personal bankruptcy. You do realize there is a difference between bankruptcy for a business and an individual? Do you only hold the success mantel for people who have never failed at something?

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People forget; he inherited his money. He's a racial bigot, liar and scammer, and I'll never tire of repeating this about this scum.

A majority of this line is personal opinion. You guys have called eveyrone who doesn't agree with you a racist. It's the favorite claim of the left, it almost has no meaning after the last few years.

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@cicerone imposter,

Lol!

Like I give a flying 0bama if you ignore me or not.

Besides, you lack the discipline required to do so.

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@blatham,

The DNC is not a govt agency and has been pointed out by Blickers, they are a private group. Hacking the DNC is not hacking the US govt, those are 2 different things.

You guys always like to forget that Obama wasn't worried about Russia a few years ago and even up until a few months ago, he said Climate Change was the biggest national security issue. Obama and Hillary had the "Russian Reset" and things were suppose to be ok. Since 2012, Obama has been shown to not know what he is talking about when it comes to national security. He should have kept a closer eye on Russia. Most of us knew back in 2012 when Obama made fun of Romney for his comments that Romney was right and Obama was wrong. We have been proved correct for the last 4 years.

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@cicerone imposter,

From the Washington Post:

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Mr. Trump has cultivated the persona of a generous man, repeatedly claiming on television he would donate to charity “out of my wallet” and accepting honors from groups he appeared to support. In fact, an exhaustive investigation by Post reporter David A. Fahrenthold shows that Mr. Trump retooled his foundation about a decade ago to act as an intermediary for other people’s charitable giving, a racket from which Mr. Trump gained in reputation and from which he may even have occasionally profited.

Trump spent more than $250,000 from foundation to settle lawsuits.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-spent-more-than-250k-from-foundation-to-settle-lawsuits/

The GOP presidential nominee might have violated laws that ban nonprofit leaders from using charity money to benefits their businesses or themselves -- pointed out by the Post, which has reported extensively on the Trump Foundation.

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Well this is damned positive. We'll see how it goes from here.

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Judge blocks North Carolina law limiting power of Democratic governor

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This was such a blatant and corrupt use of power to keep power, in direct opposition to the will of NC voters. It was not merely a clear demonstration of how the modern right so commonly operates, it is also a red flag warning about appointments to courts across america. Working to ensure ideological allies hold powerful judicial seats is a direct blow to the founders' notion of divided government working to prevent precisely this sort of power-hungry evisceration of democracy.

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@cicerone imposter,

Yup.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

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The Heritage Foundation on Friday blamed President Barack Obama’s failed leadership for emboldening Russia to meddle in the presidential election and charged that the Obama administration’s sanctions “are too little, too late.”
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Well of course they did. This is the emerging propaganda thrust. The appropriate response to Russians hacking into US government computers even to influence a presidential election is to indict the sitting US President. Not Russia.

We could point out that during this same period, Congress was held by Republicans and ask, "Well what the heck did they do back then? What alarums did they set off? What policy initiatives did they advance in this extremity?" There's a bunch of relevant questions we could ask here.

But the more important aspect, I'd argue, is not just this emerging propaganda theme (which we're now seeing from numerous quarters on the right) but the attempt to re-write history and chuck a ton of stuff down the Ministry of Truth's memory hole.

Obama's popularity remains very high, equal to Reagan at same point in their tenures. And Dems did win the plurality of the vote by nearly 3 million. And Trump's popularity is far lower. That's a marketing problem for the GOP. So what we are seeing (and will see far more of) is continuing efforts to derogate Obama and Clinton (and Dems by association) and to paint the past in a manner that displays Trump and Republicans as uniquely wise, strong and ethical. It's a myth-building project. It's filled with falsehoods, necessarily, but that no longer is of any consideration on the modern right.

Do you actually considere this to be an objective analysis of the subjects you are addressing?

=> Obama made no public comments and took no visible action in response to far more extensive hacking of government IT systems by China and Russia, and now in the face of the humiliation of a defeat in the election of both his presumed successor but also Democrat Senators, members of the House, and stat legislators & Governors he howls in indignation after the hacking and leak of a few e-mails of John Podesta, containing redundant, confirming evidence of the collusion of the DNC, the Hillary Campaign and liberal maedia outlets in distorting the campaign. Just who here is guilty of trying to distort our election process?
=> I'm not aware of ANY objective information suggesting the Russian leaks had any material effect on the election - a point which neither the liberal media nor our President have addressed.

As for the rest, you're just reciting the litany of Obama/Democrat excuses and rationalizations with zero detectable objectivity. You are the last person on this thread with the standing to accuse anyone of peddling propaganda.

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@cicerone imposter,

Meanwhile, 0bama & HRC colluded in a secret arms deal that got our Benghazi ambassador and others murdered.
Now 0bama & Kerry are working to get Israel wiped off the map.

You really like how liberal progressive democrats get women, children and Americans killed.

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

You want to have your cake and eat it too... Obama has been in charge for 8 years, as many of us have been saying, he did nothing for the middle class but divide and conquer us into little groups. For all the "America is better off since Obama came into office", it seems your article is saying the very opposite. You also want to claim that it is going to get worse under Trump. How can you even know when things have gotten worse under Obama, which means his policies didn't work. A different set of policies are in order to try and fix things.

I don't have any proverbial cake right now. Average U.S. citizens like myself (and I have it somewhat better than many others) don't have any choice between eating or not eating cake because there is NO CAKE.

No cake for progressives. No cake for conservatives. NO CAKE.

I voted for Obama in 2008. I didn't vote for him in 2012. I strongly believe the Democrats squandered the popular mandate they were granted in 2008. Although some blame can be placed on Obama's shoulders, I place most of the blame on the political parties.

How many years and decades should people listen to the lip service politicians pay & play to their concerns before they stop believing the liars? Politicians in both major parties lie, lie, lie, and emerge every so often to toss out hunks of red meat. They paint portraits of non-existent enemies (e.g., guys who don't look like you; guys who don't pray like you; etc.) and transfuse hate into bloodstream of the people. Divide and conquer. Most politicians are not public servants; they inevitably serve the interests of the people who arrange for big money to slide into their pockets.

And now ... at least for the next four years ... the big money people really won't need most of the politicians as their paid middlemen because Trump is putting them in charge.

I expect a lot of wealth is going to slide into a lot of pockets over the next four years, but not into my pocket nor in your pocket. It will be the pockets of the very rich who will get richer--even more extravagantly richer than they already are. I don't expect middle and lower class people to benefit at all from Trump's presidency.

Trump isn't going to "fix" anything. When are we the people--the electorate--going to smarten up?

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@blatham,

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his silence on many far worse and damaging things Putin has done during the past eight years.

What are you referring to, specifically?

=> seizing 1/3rd of Armenia
=> seizing all of Crimea
=> Threatening Ukraine and attempting to seize its eastern Provinces, despite guarantees to respect Ukrane's borders in previous nuclear diarmament treaties.
=> Arming Iran and supporting their nuclear program
=> Intervention in Syria
=> Hacking government IT systems

I find it difficult to believe you were unawware of any of these actions.

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Calling all pussy-grabbers!

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Incoming Freedom Caucus chairman Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC) suggested that the incoming Donald Trump administration reverse a set of President Obama-era guidelines aimed at combatting campus sexual assault, saying it wastes money and that it denies protection to the "often-innocent accused," USA Today reported Friday.

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Really, I don't have words for these people.

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@georgeob1,

I've often wondered why the Obama administration has done absolutely nothing to counter the Russian/Chinese hacking of our government/public/private cyberspace.
They claim they can't reveal what they're doing, because it'll reveal it.

I wonder.

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In an unprecedented move, Obama ordered federal bureaucrats to buy up all the nation's swamp draining equipment.

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@georgeob1,

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I find it difficult to believe you were unawware of any of these actions.

I wasn't. My request was for back-up information on your charge that Obama did or said nothing about them.

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@Debra Law,

I've sort of given up on listening to politicians, because they're meaningless.
I'm not even sure if my vote means anything any more. Even writing to our congressmen is useless.

My votes and my voice are meaningless. At my age, it's que sera sera.

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@cicerone imposter,

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They claim they can't reveal what they're doing, because it'll reveal it.

First, do you really believe that the Pentagon and intel under Obama has done nothing about these things? Why on earth would you imagine that to be true?

As to care in what they say/reveal, pretty obviously that is always the case with such matters.

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@blatham,

Spying has been on-going between countries for many generations.
The biggest issue today is who is going to use the first nuclear bomb.
It's been properly identified as MAD.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

Calling all pussy-grabbers!

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Incoming Freedom Caucus chairman Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC) suggested that the incoming Donald Trump administration reverse a set of President Obama-era guidelines aimed at combatting campus sexual assault, saying it wastes money and that it denies protection to the "often-innocent accused," USA Today reported Friday.
Really, I don't have words for these people.

Well, that's a relief.

Perhaps you are unaware of the several travesties of justice perpetrated on several campuses partly as a result of misguided programs advanced by the Obama administration on Universities; some directly tied to Federal grants; others merely accompanied by an implied threat to cut other funds, encouraging, loose rules of evidence and preemptory judgments based only on a "preponderance of evidence" in the case of female accusations of male misconduct.

The simple truth is that State law governs on these issues, and universities have no judicial authority in these matters.

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@cicerone imposter,

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My votes and my voice are meaningless.

Yes and no. I think all of us are aware to some degree that our individual voices and efforts have little consequence. It's pretty delusional to think otherwise. But there's another reality here too.

Though individually we can't expect to get much at all done, by organizing and working in large groups of similar mind we can influence ideas and events. Every movement reflects this understanding and it is as part of a movement where our contributions count. Chomsky says the most frequently asked question he gets is, "How can I do something effective?" and his answer is, "The same way that it has always worked in the past, get involved, get organized." Silver bullets aren't real. Comic book heroes aren't real.

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@Debra Law,

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I don't have any proverbial cake right now. Average U.S. citizens like myself (and I have it somewhat better than many others) don't have any choice between eating or not eating cake because there is NO CAKE.

You are a lawyer, you are not the average American. You are an intellectual elitist, you are not an average American. You wouldn't know average American if they sat next to you at Denny's. Do you even eat Denny's?

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No cake for progressives. No cake for conservatives. NO CAKE.

8 years of no cake and now you are worried?

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I voted for Obama in 2008. I didn't vote for him in 2012. I strongly believe the Democrats squandered the popular mandate they were granted in 2008. Although some blame can be placed on Obama's shoulders, I place most of the blame on the political parties.

Obama is a Democrat and has ruled just like a Democrat. He fixed nothing and blamed everyone else. It was his policies that have been at work, he promised to "fundamentally" change the US, did you forget that? You could blame the GOP, but they were doing what they were asked to do by the people who elected him. This can further be proven by the continued loss of seats in Congress for the DNC.

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How many years and decades should people listen to the lip service politicians pay & play to their concerns before they stop believing the liars? Politicians in both major parties lie, lie, lie, and emerge every so often to toss out hunks of red meat. They paint portraits of non-existent enemies (e.g., guys who don't look like you; guys who don't pray like you; etc.) and transfuse hate into bloodstream of the people. Divide and conquer. Most politicians are not public servants; they inevitably serve the interests of the people who arrange for big money to slide into their pockets.

To be honest, Obama did a major portion of splitting the country up by himself. His has been a racebaiter since he got himself involved in Professor Gates proplem at the start of his admin. "The cops acted stupidly." His words not mine.

I'll agree on the rest of this, it's why I voted for Gary Johnson in Nov and left the GOP around the end of the 2012 election.

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And now ... at least for the next four years ... the big money people really won't need most of the politicians as their paid middlemen because Trump is putting them in charge.

Wrong, there is still a Congress that has to pass laws and our system of checks and balances is still in place. You now seemed to be worried about Executive Powers, when you defended Obama use of them. I have a video for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymrBzgssSY8

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I expect a lot of wealth is going to slide into a lot of pockets over the next four years, but not into my pocket nor in your pocket. It will be the pockets of the very rich who will get richer--even more extravagantly richer than they already are. I don't expect middle and lower class people to benefit at all from Trump's presidency.

How is that any different than the 8 years prior?

When the regulations are changed, you will start to see more money made by those not at the top. Banking regulations have kept a lot of people from starting their own business's thanks to Obama's rules.

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Trump isn't going to "fix" anything. When are we the people--the electorate--going to smarten up?

I said this very same thing after Obama had been in office for 2 years, and I was proven correct. Now we will see if you are correct.

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