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Lash
 
  -2  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 10:30 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Sanders would definitely take issue with part of my comment.

That’s ok with me. He’s loathe to go down in history as a spoiler or someone whose words might have lent any strength, even short-term, to the GOP.

I’m an equal opportunity political party hater.
Cycloptichorn
 
  5  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 11:08 am
@Lash,
Not one who is particularly concerned with accuracy, tho.

I get that the narrative of 'both parties are equally bad' is more fun than reality, but saying so does not make it so. And of you truly believe in the things you claim to, it's difficult to understand why you would cling to a narrative that isn't fixed in reality.

Cycloptichorn
Lash
 
  -1  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 11:12 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I believe you refuse to confront reality.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  6  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 12:07 pm
I’m on Trump’s voter fraud commission. I’m suing it to find out what it’s doing.
Quote:
Why is a presidential advisory panel on elections operating in such secrecy?

On Nov. 9, I filed a complaint in U.S. District Court in Washington, seeking to obtain the working documents, correspondence and schedule of the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity. What’s remarkable about my lawsuit is that I’m a member of the commission, and apparently this is the only way I can find out what we’re doing.
{...]
The commission was established by executive order under the auspices of the Federal Advisory Commission Act (FACA), which requires notice of our public meetings, disclosure of our work product and the opportunity for public participation. FACA was written precisely so Americans would know what the government is doing and what it is considering, so we could participate in that process.

One of the agencies that some commissioners have been reportedly working with is the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees the implementation of the Real ID Act and has designated state election systems as “critical infrastructure.” DHS may decide to enter the field of elections management, under the ubiquitous mantle of “national security.”

Without transparency about the commission’s actions, how can you find out if a policy is being developed that may require you to have a Real ID-compliant driver’s license to vote? Or whether you’ll have to prove American citizenship at the polls? How will you know about proposed changes to voter registration deadlines or new restrictions on absentee balloting?

Of course, this is politics. But remember, we as American citizens are supposed to own the process. The desire to prevail in an election campaign has led to some sad episodes of voter intimidation and suppression in our country’s history. The Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity should endeavor to challenge those fears and answer them, not add to them.
hightor
 
  3  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 12:33 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
I’m a neoliberal and I don’t think that tax bill is neoliberal.

I'm thinking along the lines of this definition:
George Scialabba wrote:
I’d say neoliberalism is essentially the extension of market dominance to all spheres of social life, fostered and enforced by the state. In economic policy, this means deregulation and privatization. In culture, it means untrammeled marketing and the commoditization of everyday life, including the intimate sphere. In law, it means consumer sovereignty, non-discrimination (which is after all economically irrational), and a restrictive conception of the public interest. In education, it means the replacement of public by private (i.e., business) support for schools, universities, and research, with a concomitant shift of influence over curriculum and research topics. In civil society, it means private control over the media and private funding of political parties, with the resultant control of both by business. In international relations, it means investor rights agreements masquerading as “free trade” and constraining the rights of governments to protect their own workers, environments, and currencies.


The Republican establishment promotes much of this agenda. (The Democratic establishment promotes somewhat less of it.) The tax bill is based on a neoliberal conception of the economy and the government's role in it.

If the definition I supplied is off-base and you feel that your political philosophy is appropriately labeled "neoliberal" then I apologize for lumping you in with Paul Ryan and the GOP swamp. Trump himself is not a neoliberal.
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revelette1
 
  6  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 12:37 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
My God, it is getting so depressing. Every time I read the news or come here on this forum, I just read something worse than the day before. This administration is literally destroying our democracy and no one is doing anything at all about it. I hate republicans in congress for enabling Trump, they have it in their power to do something about him, but won't because they want to profit by him. It is sickening.
BillW
 
  2  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 02:12 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

My God, it is getting so depressing. Every time I read the news or come here on this forum, I just read something worse than the day before. This administration is literally destroying our democracy and no one is doing anything at all about it. I hate republicans in congress for enabling Trump, they have it in their power to do something about him, but won't because they want to profit by him. It is sickening.


There really isn't much difference between tRump and the Conservative repukes! They normalized lying, racism, bigotry, acceptance of misogyny, fascism, non order democratic lawmaking, and pure hate. Now they are normalizing the worst of their brethren - tRump. Yes, pure scumbags, the lot of them!
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Setanta
 
  4  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 02:22 pm
Undoubtedly, there are some (few) legislators who actually intend to serve the interests of their constituents and the nation as well. However, the attractions of Congress include prestige (some people still respect those who have succeeded in getting elected to the House or the Senate), and opportunities for grafting. For example, if I have a contracting company competent to do highway maintenance, and my brother-in-law owns a car dealership, then if my congressman (or -woman) can effect a deal which gets me a contract from the highway trust fund, then my brother-in-law will give the congressman or -woman sweetheart deals on the purchase of new cars for him or her and his or her family. Additionally, lobbying firms will offer employment, or secure employment elsewhere, for a former member of Congress who has "played ball" with them. The most egregious example of this (that we know of) was the Koreagate scandal in 1976. That was the Democrats, but don't kid yourself that the Republicans are simon pure.

In fact, the Republicans have taken this to a new level with their tax bill. Even running for a mere seat in the House has become prohibitively expensive, and members of Congress rely on donations, as well as advertising support from political action committees to get elected and re-elected. The tax bill is intended to buy that support, and to hamstring the Democrats even if they take over Congress in the mid-term election. The power of incumbency is greatest in the House, so it is doubtful that the Democrats can take over the House in 2018--but not impossible. But even if the Democrats take over both houses, there's no way they'll have the necessary two-thirds needed to override a presidential veto if they try to repeal this tax bill.

It is sickening, and it's the worst case of that special style of corruption known as grafting that I've seen in my lifetime.
snood
 
  3  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 03:03 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I’m surprised you don’t admit how many things I’ve been proven right about.

Not everybody can point to actual emails that prove them right. The Podesta file dump proved me right about Bernie being cheated by the DNC, as I so emphatically pointed out.

Media collusion with the DNC is a matter of public record.

I cited a coming sea change is politics — I don’t think anyone will argue that.

Hillary was hated. You said there was no way she’d lose the election.

I feel like my bead on American politics definitely dominates yours—from the day you said there was no way in hell a black man could be elected president, and I said you were wrong.

People are finally talking about Bill Clinton’s rapes. I was right about that.

I’ve been proven right about a lot.

I could go on... 😇


Fine. I don't believe "Hillary can't be beaten" sounds like something I would say, and she beat Bernie by getting more votes in the primary - not because of any DNC 'collusion', but you can have credit for being sage and prophetic about the rest. But let me ask you this:
You still think Hillary should have been put in jail?
You still think the Russia investigation is a hoax?
You still believe Trump is no more harmful to the country than Hillary would have been?
BillW
 
  2  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 03:22 pm
@Setanta,
It is funny that all these Repukes are coming out today saying that the Logan Act can be disregarded. Why do they pick and choose between crimes? Well, because Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr and Jr and now tRump are all seriously guilty of Logan act crimes! Too me, these crimes are very serious and synonymous with treason. These are reflections of the entire part and totally unAmerican! Criminals, the whole lot of them!
Sturgis
 
  3  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 03:30 pm
@BillW,
It's not just Republicans who try tossing The Logan Act aside when it benefits them. Democrats have a similar past.
BillW
 
  3  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 03:48 pm
@Sturgis,
Presidental candidates?
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Lash
 
  1  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 03:48 pm
@snood,
I reviewed posts during the run up to the election and noticed you said there was no way Hillary would lose.

Collusion was proven.

Yes, Hillary Clinton is guilty of treason, but it hasn’t been publicly acknowledged yet.

Russian interference into the 2016 has not been proven.

Yes, Trump is no worse than Hillary would’ve been, although the Hillary-favored media would be covering up for Clinton and the Democrats—something we are assured they’d never do for Trump.
snood
 
  2  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 04:13 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I reviewed posts during the run up to the election and noticed you said there was no way Hillary would lose.


Okay, I'll bite. Show the post where I said that.

Quote:
Collusion was proven.

Hillary won the primary because she got more votes than Bernie.

Quote:
Yes, Hillary Clinton is guilty of treason, but it hasn’t been publicly acknowledged yet.


I read "hasn't been publicly acknowledged yet" as "hasn't been shown to be anything but rightwing conspiracy nuttery".

Quote:
Russian interference into the 2016 has not been proven.


Sure, if you choose to disbelieve the agreed upon conclusion of the major American intelligence agencies, and every bit of reported material about russian interference - it hasn't been proven. You think the DNC influenced the Dem primary, but you don't believe the Russians tried to influence the US election.
It begs the question of what are your standards of proof.

Quote:
Yes, Trump is no worse than Hillary would’ve been, although the Hillary-favored media would be covering up for Clinton and the Democrats—something we are assured they’d never do for Trump.


This is why I can't take you seriously. With Trump trying to dismantle environmental protection, defund public education, appoint a bigot as AG who is dismantling police reform and oversight, openly giving state secrets to the Russians, etc., etc., - you claim that Hillary would be as bad or worse. Beggars credulity.

Lash
 
  1  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 05:11 pm
@snood,
You’ve seen the Wikileaks dump of Podesta/DNC emails. I’m not re-delivering it for you to deny it.

I’ll drop your Hillary will win the presidency post off here if you’re really going to try to pretend like you don’t know you said it — I’ll do it in my time — but we both know you’ve already decided to obfuscate. Otherwise, what are we doing?

I’d consider it worthwhile to engage in an open-minded exchange with you about current politics, but based on your comments so far, I don’t think that’s what I’m going to get...

That’s truly a shame.

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Builder
 
  -1  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 05:13 pm
@snood,
Quote:
If "most thinking souls" really were "content" with this "hiccup", he would be popular. He is not.


Neither is Congress.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_dec01

Approval of Congress Falls Even Lower
Fewer Voters Want Legal Action Against Sanctuary Cities
Voters Split on Funding Sanctuary Cities, Favor ‘Kate’s Law’
The Winner of the 1st Annual Fake News Trophy Is …
Voters Are Strongly Divided Over Media’s Role in Dividing Us
Americans Less Likely To Say Credit Cards Tempt Spending
Would You Drink Beer Brewed on Mars?



Friday, December 01, 2017
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 44% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Fifty-five percent (55%) disapprove.

(end quote)

Looks like Trump trumps Congress in the popularity stakes. Congress approval is hovering between 16 and 18%.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 07:30 pm
@snood,
I answered your questions. Why do you insist on repeating them? To curry favor with your drooges?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 07:32 pm
@Setanta,
You are so easy Smile
Lash
 
  -1  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 08:24 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
✌🏻Kubrick fan.
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snood
 
  2  
Sun 3 Dec, 2017 08:38 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I must've missed it. So, do you admire Trump? Is he a president that you're proud of?
 

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