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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 06:16 am
@hightor,
Yes, to all.
blatham
 
  5  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 06:58 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Senior U.S. officials ordered the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to investigate Blix to gather "sufficient ammunition to undermine" him so that the U.S. could start the invasion of Iraq. The U.S. officials were upset that the CIA did not uncover such information.[11][12]
wikipedia "Hans Blix"

And those senior officials, suddenly out to slander Blix because his findings did not comport with the forwarded rationale for war, were mainly Rumsfeld and the staff in Cheney's office.

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revelette1
 
  2  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 07:12 am
@blatham,
I was really busy over the weekend, I just read the piece you are referencing (also the one about Trump's plan for a Moscow Trump tower), some of the republicans are a piece of work. From your link.

Quote:
"I am not doing an interview right now, so I'm not going to say a word," O'Keefe said.

In a follow-up interview, O'Keefe declined to answer repeated questions about whether the woman was employed at Project Veritas. He also did not respond when asked if he was working with Moore, former White House adviser and Moore supporter Stephen K. Bannon, or Republican strategists.

The group's efforts illustrate the lengths to which activists have gone to try to discredit media outlets for reporting on allegations from multiple women that Moore pursued them when they were teenagers and he was in his early 30s. Moore has denied that he did anything improper.
blatham
 
  3  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 07:16 am
@revelette1,
Yes. And subsequent to the WP breaking this story, O'Keefe put out another heavily edited video removing about 2 minutes that was embarrassing to O'Keefe.

Quote:

Scott Rome‏
@Scott_H_Rome
15h15 hours ago
More Scott Rome Retweeted Bradley P. Moss, Esq
Veritas Law Firm would like to make it clear that not only are we not affiliated with "Project Veritas" but if anyone is looking to sue them, or O'keefe, we would love to help on a pro bono basis

and there's this
Quote:
Byron York‏Verified account
@ByronYork
James O'Keefe fundraising on his sting-the-Washington-Post fiasco.


This is a perfect example of how soooo much of the modern right wing political and media universe is filled with grifters. O'Keefe, for example, made $317,000 last year.
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blatham
 
  4  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 07:40 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPMeKvLUMAApCr1.jpg
blatham
 
  3  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 07:43 am
I just watched a 43 second video of Trump in 1993 before Congress testifying on Native American casino operators. I can't yet find a link to it (it was posted on twitter by Chris Hayes) but I suspect it will be broadly available soon.

In his testimony Trump not only demonstrates that he's always been an asshole and that he's always been a racist.
najmelliw
 
  2  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 07:45 am
@blatham,
Probably more fair to compare the statistics for Bill Clinton and Trump in this regard.
hightor
 
  2  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 07:45 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Though I think this dynamic and this renegotiation of male and female behavior is profoundly necessary, that doesn't necessarily mean humans will handle such a shift well.

Hear, hear...

I thought this article also says some things which need to be said:

The Limits of 'Believe All Women'
Quote:
If the past few weeks have shown us the unique horrors some women have faced, the answer to it can’t be a stringent new solidarity that further limits the definition of womanhood and lumps our highly diverse experiences together simply based on our gender. I don’t think that helps women. Or men.

I believe that the “believe all women” vision of feminism unintentionally fetishizes women. Women are no longer human and flawed. They are Truth personified. They are above reproach.

I believe that it’s condescending to think that women and their claims can’t stand up to interrogation and can’t handle skepticism. I believe that facts serve feminists far better than faith. That due process is better than mob rule.

NYT

I must confess, I've had similar thoughts over the past week or so but had trouble summoning up the courage to enter this particular mine field. I'm relieved that other braver people are bringing these ideas up for discussion.
blatham
 
  3  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 07:49 am
I expect this will generate some tweets from the sociopath in the WH. Looking forward to reading them.
Quote:
Prince Harry says Donald Trump is not welcome at his wedding: ‘Trump is a serious threat to human rights’
Link Here

blatham
 
  3  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 07:58 am
@najmelliw,
Quote:
Probably more fair to compare the statistics for Bill Clinton and Trump in this regard.
It's a fair point, if we leave aside some stuff like Trump bragging about using his power to sexually assault anyone he wanted to sexually assault.

And, as I'm sure you'll agree, Obama was, and is, a man of exceptional grace, dignity, class, and integrity. I know that's how Fox, for example, has always reported their stories on him.
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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 08:24 am
@hightor,
That's a really good piece. I'd somehow missed it this morning. Thanks!

I was reluctant to voice my concerns too, in no small part because I'm a male. And I know that when my 33 year old feminist daughter and I have a chance to talk about this, there is likely to be some fireworks. So, yes, it is very good (and necessary) that women write about this too.

This writer touches on something very important
Quote:
It’s because I think that “believing all women” can rapidly be transmogrified into an ideological orthodoxy that will not serve women at all.
Two anecdotes here (to get me into more trouble):

First, I did my degree in the late 80s when feminist theory and activity was very robust at western universities. Some of this was brilliant and some really stupid. Among the stupid stuff was the Catherine McKinnon/Andrea Dworking conception that "all sex is rape". One of my history TAs was a smart and lively young lady who certainly counted herself a feminist. Over coffee one afternoon, she related what had happened at a feminist group meeting she'd attended the prior evening. She, and other women who were in heterosexual relationships, were physically pushed up against a wall and loudly berated for their relationships. There's an example of a good cause going badly astray because we humans are, in many ways, a mess.

The second involves the broad acceptance that Woody Allen, through his relationship with Soon Yi (sp?) was incontrovertibly a pervert because of the differences in age. This is not an uncommon social response. In early American and Canadian history, the charivari or chivaree, carried over from European countries where settlers had come from, were informal means of policing social behavior. Commonly, upset folks would come to the home of the person they deemed a violater and loudly bang pots and pans. The most common reason this would happen was when an older man married a young woman. Through other reading, I had known that when Charlie Chaplin had married his wife, they were exactly the same ages as Woody and Soon Yi. I also knew that they'd had five (I think) children and their marriage had been (from the wife's perspective) a very happy and productive marriage.

The point I'm making here is about the autonomy of those two women. What gives anyone the right to deny those women their choice of mate?

And that's the problem with orthodoxy.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 08:32 am
@blatham,
Damn right, we don't want that slobbering piece of **** getting in the way of a national celebration.

Disclaimer, when I say national celebration I'm assuming we get the day off like when Oor Wullie got married, if not then **** 'em.

In any event Trump is almost universally hated over here. If he comes here there will be protests and riots, all of which will detract from the wedding itself.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOwkc5NWAAAlcLa.jpg
blatham
 
  2  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 08:42 am
@izzythepush,
That's quite an illustration. Even I'm offended by the pile of ashes from Liz's cigarettes (I'm quite fond of the lady). And then there's Camilla's face. Yikes.

I'm considering issuing a Canadian fatwa on this artist.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 09:00 am
@hightor,
Of course she's right, but it took her ox being gored to see the light. I can't respect that.
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Lash
 
  -3  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 09:01 am
@blatham,
Soon Yi Previn was co-raised by Woody Allen as his daughter.

Please tell me you don’t approve of step-fathers raising a girl from 7, and grooming her to cheat on her mom.

It wouldn’t surprise me, though. Disgusting. What won’t you say to approve your tribe?
Lash
 
  1  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 09:06 am
Give the woman or male accuser the benefit of belief until facts disprove them, especially when the accuser is at the low rung of the power structure.

Otherwise, you’re part of the problem.
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izzythepush
 
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Tue 28 Nov, 2017 10:39 am
@blatham,
It's a pastiche of a popular Scottish cartoon strip the Broons.

https://www.sundaypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2016/03/Broons-1948-family.jpg

Oor Wullie is done by the same company.

http://digital.nls.uk/oor-wullie/images/home/oor-wullie-meet-wullie.png

They've just superimposed the royals on top. Part of being British is a healthy sense of irreverence towards those in positions of power.
blatham
 
  2  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 11:03 am
@izzythepush,
Understood. I was a big fan of Spitting Image and they were merciless. And there's a really interesting thing about class in all of this. I think it's fair to say that British culture is marked by class division more so than Canada or the US. But at the same time, the level of satirization of the upper classes is more robust and vital. Do those ideas seem valid to you?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Tue 28 Nov, 2017 11:07 am
@Builder,
Quote:


Given the facts, that anyone can easily access, your credibility is amusing.


This is doubly amusing, as in your own post you call the invasion 'a scam' that everyone had realized. If it was so, than the stated reason for the invasion was clearly... a false one. Isn't that correct?

My post was factual. There was no ongoing rebellion by the citizens of Iraq when we invaded.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
  4  
Tue 28 Nov, 2017 11:08 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Quote:
Remember, she got three million more votes than Trump, and gerrymandering doesn't apply to Presidential races.


Those votes were from one state; California, which is actively attempting to secede from the union. The electoral college was put in place to prevent gerrymandering.


California is not 'actively seceding' from the Union. Where do you come up with this ****?

Cycloptichorn
 

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