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Cycloptichorn
 
  5  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 10:24 am
@izzythepush,
Let's not forget that Flynn is still hanging out there. He's sure to be charged as well, and neither Trump nor Pence can plausibly deny that they knew all about his problems before he was brought on board. There's no way they can keep this thing at arm's length, and they know it.

Why do people think Manafort was hired, to be campaign manager of all things? He had little experience doing so. No real connections in Washington that would have helped run the campaign. He was, however, highly connected... in Russia and Ukraine.

Cycloptichorn
BillW
 
  2  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 10:43 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

The question is whether Sekulow will be left with egg on his face. Going by past events...


and, that was my answer Wink I would say interpreted; it is a YES!
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 10:48 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Trump has already started trashing Papadopoulos, I'm sure Flynn will suffer the same fate. Trump is not remotely loyal to those who work for him.

Quote:
US President Donald Trump has played down the importance of an ex-campaign aide indicted in the Russia inquiry.
He said his onetime foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos was a "low level volunteer" and "liar". Mr Trump once called him an "excellent guy".
Papadopoulos, 30, this month pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his Kremlin-related contacts.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41820677
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snood
 
  4  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 10:53 am
@Cycloptichorn,
When Manafort was first named as campaign manager, I posted an article that explored his experience working for authoritarians and tyrants like Marcos of the Phillipines. He looked shady as hell, and contrary to Trump's disavowal, he has bragged about knowing Trump "for decades".
revelette1
 
  3  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 10:55 am
@izzythepush,
I'm thankful we are not (as in the US and I guess the anyone else in the world interested) relying on congressional investigations and hearings to get to the truth of the Russia/Trump thing. He will probably remain president but he is damaged and really there is no one to replace him with who is any better for us or the world until the next presidential election.
BillW
 
  2  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 10:58 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cyclo, it is only fair to note Manafort had lots of political election experience. In fact, it is evidence that tRump had a person on board (Manafort) who knew conspiring with Russians for political reasons is highly illegal. A future charge will probably be forthcoming from Mueller for his actions regarding Russian collusion. He also brought in new Russian actors for tRump!

Quote:
Unlike much of Trump's relatively young staff that helped the real estate mogul earn his early primary victories, Manafort was arguably more of an establishment figure when he was brought on.

The Trump campaign credited him with experience spanning three decades, but one of his biggest victories came four decades ago.

Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign manager, to surrender to feds in connection to the Russia probe
Reviewing ex-manager Paul Manafort's rise and fall in the Trump campaign
Manafort reportedly played a significant role in the 1976 convention where Gerald Ford ended up winning the nomination in spite of a fight from Ronald Reagan and Bob Dole. That’s the last time Republicans had no clear nominee going into the convention.

Manafort went on to work for Reagan and George H.W. Bush in later years.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/paul-manafort/story?id=50809368
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BillW
 
  2  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:00 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

and contrary to Trump's disavowal, he has bragged about knowing Trump "for decades".


Didn't he have an office in tRump Tower just a floor or two from tRump's floor?
Cycloptichorn
 
  4  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:01 am
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

snood wrote:

and contrary to Trump's disavowal, he has bragged about knowing Trump "for decades".


Didn't he have an office in tRump Tower just a floor or two from tRump's floor?


He's owned a condo in Trump Tower, a floor below Trump's, since 2006.

Cycloptichorn
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BillW
 
  2  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:05 am
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

snood wrote:

and contrary to Trump's disavowal, he has bragged about knowing Trump "for decades".


Didn't he have an office in tRump Tower just a floor or two from tRump's floor?


Just looked this up, and, the answer is yes. See attached, plus look at the article to see other nefarious actors in tRump Tower:

Quote:
Paul Manafort, Floor 43
Trump’s former campaign manager, who resigned in August, has lived in Trump Tower since 2006. Manafort transferred the apartment from an LLC to his name in 2015.


https://ny.curbed.com/2016/10/25/13405036/trump-tower-residents-list
BillW
 
  3  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:09 am
@BillW,
I wonder what all those people think of being under 24 hour surveillance by Secret Security and FBI? Noting everyone going in and out through every points of egress, checking anything carried in or out at will.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:31 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Legally Trump may be able to keep all this at arms length, but politically it's impossible.

If the liberals choose to keep throwing tantrums over this, I think they'll find that Americans are used to ignoring their tantrums.
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Brand X
 
  4  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:31 am
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” - Donald Trump

Hmmm...sounds like insider info.
Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:32 am
@Brand X,
Brand X wrote:

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” - Donald Trump

Hmmm...sounds like insider info.


Not only sounds like it, they are confirmed to already have known that Russia had the DNC emails at the time Trump said that.

Cycloptichorn
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:33 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Let's not forget that Flynn is still hanging out there. He's sure to be charged as well, and neither Trump nor Pence can plausibly deny that they knew all about his problems before he was brought on board. There's no way they can keep this thing at arm's length, and they know it.

If they had nothing to do with a crime committed by other people, then they had nothing to do with that crime.

That said, this entire witch hunt is outrageous and there should be pardons ASAP.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
Why do people think Manafort was hired, to be campaign manager of all things? He had little experience doing so. No real connections in Washington that would have helped run the campaign.

His political resume was mentioned on the news last night and sounded fairly impressive.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:34 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
He will probably remain president but he is damaged

If this shameful witch hunt succeeds in its only goal of damaging an innocent president, that will be a strong argument for legislation outlawing the Democratic Party in America.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:37 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Let's not forget that Flynn is still hanging out there. He's sure to be charged as well, and neither Trump nor Pence can plausibly deny that they knew all about his problems before he was brought on board. There's no way they can keep this thing at arm's length, and they know it.

If they had nothing to do with a crime committed by other people, then they had nothing to do with that crime.

That said, this entire witch hunt is outrageous and there should be pardons ASAP.


It's neither a 'witch hunt' nor is it 'outrageous.' It's also false to say that Trump and Pence had nothing to do with the crimes of Flynn; they most certainly did.

Quote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Why do people think Manafort was hired, to be campaign manager of all things? He had little experience doing so. No real connections in Washington that would have helped run the campaign.

His political resume was mentioned on the news last night and sounded fairly impressive.
[/quote]

Perhaps to you it did. I personally wouldn't have been impressed by his record, which didn't include campaign management experience - the job he was ostensibly hired for.

Cycloptichorn
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BillW
 
  3  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:40 am
It continues to appear that Mueller is building a RICO case against tTrump......

The prosecutors have to prove a criminal organization exists, then the head of the Organization is guilty of crimes committed by that organization and interlinks actors!

Quote:
The genius of the RICO statutes is that they work perfectly against organized criminal gangs. Any member of any criminal enterprise can be charged with RICO racketeering if he can be shown to have committed two of 27 federal or eight state charges within a 10-year period as part of the enterprise. A person can be charged even if that person did not directly commit the crime but only agreed to the commission or conspired with the perpetrators in any way.

The very definition of a criminal gang begs prosecution under RICO. A gang is a group of three or more persons who have a common identifying sign, symbol or name, and whose members individually or collectively engage in a pattern of criminal activity for the furtherance of the gang.



http://www.policemag.com/blog/gangs/story/2008/11/how-to-make-a-rico-case-against-gangs.aspx
oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:42 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
It's neither a 'witch hunt' nor is it 'outrageous.'

When Democrats abuse the law to harm innocent people who merely disagree with their political views, that is both outrageous and a witch hunt (not to mention ample justification for outlawing the Democratic Party in America).


Cycloptichorn wrote:
It's also false to say that Trump and Pence had nothing to do with the crimes of Flynn; they most certainly did.

Can you present any evidence that Flynn even committed a crime? If so can you present any evidence that Trump or Pence was involved in whatever that crime is?
oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:45 am
@BillW,
BillW wrote:
It continues to appear that Mueller is building a RICO case against tTrump......

Do you think this Mueller fellow is ignorant of the fact that you can't charge a sitting president?
 

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