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Builder
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2017 05:44 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
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...we don't know the extent of the transactions Manafort was involved in or who they were with.


But it turns out we do know the extent of the deals between the Clintons and the Russians during the Uranium One deal. Right?

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AP

It turns out the Obama administration knew the Russians were engaged in bribery, kickbacks and extortion in order to gain control of US atomic resources — yet still OK’d that 2010 deal to give Moscow control of one-fifth of America’s uranium.


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Cycloptichorn
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2017 05:58 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Quote:
...we don't know the extent of the transactions Manafort was involved in or who they were with.


But it turns out we do know the extent of the deals between the Clintons and the Russians during the Uranium One deal. Right?

Quote:
AP

It turns out the Obama administration knew the Russians were engaged in bribery, kickbacks and extortion in order to gain control of US atomic resources — yet still OK’d that 2010 deal to give Moscow control of one-fifth of America’s uranium.


source


It's amusing how quickly you guys work to amplify and repeat the obvious distraction attempt. Just shamelessly. And you even know that's what you're doing.

I'll make you happy though: go ahead and investigate it! I welcome it. I'm sure we can look into two things simultaneously, there's no reason why we can't look into this while Mueller keeps himself busy.

Cycloptichorn
ehBeth
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2017 06:09 pm
https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/30/d-c-court-four-sealed-indictments-pending-papadopouloss-manaforts/

not the language I'd use
but

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Another interesting claim:

Code: emptywheel @emptywheel
Note, docket 17-200 almost certainly IS Trump related. Manafort's is listed as Indictment B.

(So maybe Flynn has already flipped) https://twitter.com/BySteveReilly/status/925063641870856192
2:27 PM - Oct 30, 2017



The Manafort/Gates indictment, #201, is in fact marked “INDICTMENT (B)” but, again, I defer to lawyers on what that might mean. Does that mean two distinct indictments were filed simultaneously, A and B, or does it just mean that Mueller filed an amended second version of the indictment for whatever reason? Lawyer Ken White, a former assistant U.S. Attorney, seems to think that emptywheel’s suspicion is correct. I bet Tony Podesta, just to take a person totally at random, would be curious to know if she’s right too. Assuming he doesn’t know already.

Speaking of which, righties seem to be treating the looming specter of a Podesta indictment as good news on the theory that criminal activity by a prominent Democrat’s brother will dilute the political pain for Team Trump as this plays out. Eh, I’d think that through before settling on that conclusion. The last thing Trump wants is evidence that Mueller is being evenhanded in this prosecution. His spin all along has been that the Russia probe is a partisan witch hunt concocted by Democrats to delegitimize his presidency. A Democrat, especially one who doesn’t hold office, getting snared in it makes that argument harder without any real benefit to Republicans apart from being able to say, “Well, some of theirs are crooked too.” Of course that’s true but one side has much, much more to lose in this particular investigation of crookedness.
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BillW
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2017 06:12 pm
Think when tRump goes to the Korean DMZ we can trade him to the North for something HUGE?
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blatham
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2017 06:58 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Why is Marxism still taken seriously on college campuses and in the progressive press?
What the hell is Stephens talking about? Before and after 1990, I spent five years studying in numerous faculties including Political Science and never once was assigned reading from Marx. No prof ever even suggested such reading. No fellow student proclaimed themselves as a Marxist. If there was a Marxist or Leninist associations there, I never once saw even a poster or a student paper announcement of meetings. Contrast with the late sixties/early seventies when such were common (if poorly attended).

And the claim that there are laudatory Marxist pieces in "progressive press" (whatever the **** that means) is complete bullshit. I read a lot of different sources - certainly all the most influential left-leaning political commentary - and have for years and I never bump into such stuff.

If it happens, it is exceedingly rare and of no consequence whatsoever. But this (universities awash in Marxist ideology) meme has been a long-standing favorite in right wing thinking, even though it has not been true for 40 years or more.
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blatham
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2017 06:59 pm
@revelette1,
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In March 2016, Donald Trump sat down with the editorial board of the Washington Post, and was asked about the team of foreign policy advisers his campaign had assembled. The then-candidate volunteered a handful of names, including Carter Page, who's now a key figure in the Russia scandal, and whom Trump later claimed not to know.

But after mentioning Page, Trump quickly added to his list of advisers, "George Papadopoulos, he's an energy and oil consultant, excellent guy."

Even at the time, this seemed odd. Papadopoulos had only graduated from college seven years earlier, and he listed participation with the "Model United Nations" as one of his credentials. And yet, in March 2016, the then-frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination identified Papadopoulos as one of only a handful of people advising him on foreign policy.
Benen
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blatham
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2017 07:02 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
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One of those suspects, Jeremy Corbyn, may be Britain’s next prime minister, in part because a generation of Britons has come of age not knowing that the line running from “progressive social commitments” to catastrophic economic results is short and straight.


This is simply right-wing claptrap. The author is using a false parallel between a completely different set of economic and social production to argue against progressive policies today, even though those policies do not in any way resemble the thing he's describing.

Yes. Georgeob pulls this one out of his hat frequently. It's the information universe these folks live within.
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blatham
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2017 07:16 pm
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Swamp Things: More Than 50% of President Trump’s Nominees Have Ties to the Industries They’re Supposed to Regulate
DB

Dear Trump supporters
If you don't want the rest of the world perceiving you as dull of mind, you really must stop being dull of mind.
oralloy
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2017 07:30 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Dear Trump supporters
If you don't want the rest of the world perceiving you as dull of mind, you really must stop being dull of mind.

Says the guy who never thinks for himself.
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glitterbag
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2017 07:32 pm
@blatham,
Sighhhhhhhhhhh Crying or Very sad
Olivier5
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2017 07:35 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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 Why is Marxism still taken seriously on college campuses and in the progressive press? Do the same people who rightly demand the removal of Confederate statues ever feel even a shiver of inner revulsion at hipsters in Lenin or Mao T-shirts?

Marx is only guilty of being wrong on "historic materialism". His analysis if caputalism was by and large correct, as was his moral condemnation of 19th century capitalism. He's got no blood on his hands, and he deserves to be studied.

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they will insist that there is an essential difference between Nazism and Communism

And rightly so. There was an essential difference. That's one of the reasons why the US allied with Stalin against Hitler.
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blatham
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2017 07:35 pm
Obviously, Gigot and Murdoch are going full-blown Pravda style propaganda now
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In today’s Journal op-ed page, two Republican former Department of Justice staffers, David Rivkin and Lee Casey, who frequently pop up in the media to defend party-line arguments, take the argument to its next step. They urge Trump to issue sweeping pardons to everybody involved in the scandal, himself included, so as to hopefully neuter Mueller’s investigation.

And would it be an overreach of sorts for Trump to quash an investigation into himself and his cronies? No, they argue. Indeed, they insist he can halt any investigation he likes:

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A president cannot obstruct justice through the exercise of his constitutional and discretionary authority over executive-branch officials like Mr. Comey. If a president can be held to account for “obstruction of justice” by ending an investigation or firing a prosecutor or law-enforcement official — an authority the constitution vests in him as chief executive — then one of the presidency’s most formidable powers is transferred from an elected, accountable official to unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats and judges.


Consider the breathtaking scope of this claim. They argue that the president can order any prosecutor or law-enforcement official to halt any investigation or criminal proceeding. What if the president hired some goons to break into and bug the opposing party’s headquarters? He could order the Department of Justice and FBI not to investigate and fire them if they did. What if he hired some goons to beat up or kill reporters or the opposing party? Same answer. The president, they argue, has unlimited right to protect himself and his allies from law enforcement as he sees fit.
NYMag
Setanta
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2017 07:39 pm
This should not be taken as an endorsement of Finn's essentially hateful ranting, but I see no difference between the classic European fascist states and Stalin's alleged Marxist-Leninist state. The only difference was in who owned the means of production--not a serious distinction in comparing the soviet system and European fascism. After all, the Soviet Union owned the means of production, and were therefore just cutting out the middleman, the capitalists.
blatham
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2017 08:24 pm
@glitterbag,
Me too. It's so blindingly stupid. But "drain the swamp" was never about trying to curtail the operations of money and corporate power within government. It was always mainly about eradicating the institutions of government which actually do curtail those interests and about reducing the power of citizens to represent themselves.
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Setanta
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2017 09:01 pm
@blatham,
In fact, the Supreme Court has, with complete constitutional justification, determined that the president does not have discretionary and summary powers to appoint executive branch officers, or to "fire" them. Article II, Section Two, the second paragraph, reads in its entirety:

He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

What Bernie has posted is a striking example of the willingness of conservatives to lie outright about the powers of the presidency, which are not, on a constitutional basis, either extensive or summary.
 

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