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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 10:38 pm
@oralloy,
orlloy says:
Quote:
It is still the only way I know of to reduce murder rates in America.
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think hard. Murder is hardly confined to inner cities.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 10:41 pm
@oralloy,
They got along perfectly well without semi-auto weapons for five hundred years. Pretty much managed to wipe out the buffalo, passenger pigeons, and elephants without them.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 10:41 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:
Somebody please tell me what a bump stock is. Never heard of it till a few day ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bump_fire#Bump_stock
oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 10:45 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
They got along perfectly well without semi-auto weapons for five hundred years. Pretty much managed to wipe out the buffalo, passenger pigeons, and elephants without them.

Can I quote you on that just before election day? I'm sure the hunters will all be delighted to know why you're banning their hunting weapons.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 10:52 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
False. The statistic was about black people killed by police officers. Had nothing to do with black on black crime.

I initially responded that way earlier this evening. But after I posted, I noticed you didn't refer to police, so I deleted my original and rewrote it. I guess I should have left the original.

Luckily I have the Lazerus add-on in case my browser crashes just after I type a very long post, so I have my original text still cached. I'll go back and repost my original reply.

I do find it curious that the much greater volume of black people murdered by other black people doesn't seem to matter. It only seems to matter when police officers defend themselves.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 10:55 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
the rate at which blacks are killed IS noticeably much higher,

....because the rate at which blacks try to murder police officers is much higher.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 10:55 pm
@oralloy,

'Bump fire' devices turn rifles into machine guns: How is that legal?



One legal device turns regular semiautomatic rifles into rapid-fire weapons. Guns can't be mechanically customized to spray-fire, but a device that simply aids the shooter's own firing action remains legal.
By Patrik Jonsson, Staff writer February 2, 2013

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LAWRENCEVILLE, Ga. — The heated public debate over gun control can hardly be described as nuanced. Yet one perfectly legal product that turns a regular rifle into a machine gun highlights how it's often the fine print that defines not only what kind of guns Americans can own, but how they're allowed to work, and how they can be used.
A defense of assault-style rifles like the AR-15 used in the Sandy Hook massacre is that they're basically just semiautomatic rifles with cosmetic improvements. In other words, each bullet needs an individual trigger pull in order to explode out of the barrel. Actual spray-trigger machine guns, after all, have been illegal on the civilian market since 1986.

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But debate around so-called bump fire devices that "simulate" automatic fire by utilizing a rifle's recoil to shoot the next bullet have caused some to wonder whether the devices could inspire a bureaucratic reclassification of assault weapons into machine guns, which in turn could lead to a de facto ban without Congress getting involved. That question may be politically sharper now, especially since an all-out assault weapons ban, according to University of Virginia political scientist Larry Sabato, is "dead in the water."
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"If the ATF [the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives] wants to now come and ban [bump-fire devices], they basically have to modify the definition of a machine gun," Jeremy Cottle, an Iraq War veteran and inventor of the Slide Fire stock, told the Guns America blog.

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On sale at the Lawrenceville, Ga., Gun Show last weekend, one such bump-fire device is known to shake poorly built rifles apart from the racket they make. A video accompanying the small metal trigger device showed an assault-style rifle pumping out dozens of rounds in seconds. It retailed for $49.95.
To be sure, the ATF has been paying close attention to the devices, and have delineated a narrow line of legality based, in essence, on mechanics versus physics.
Assault-style weapons can't be mechanically customized to spray-fire, but a nonmechanical device that simply aids the shooter's own firing action remains on this side of legal, according to ATF.
In 2005, the ATF rescinded a "letter of legality" given to one such device, the Akins Accelerator, mostly because the actual product didn't match the model sent to the ATF for approval.
But the problem also arose from a mechanical spring used in the original Akins. The product, springless, is now on sale again, certified by ATF.
Reviewing Mr. Cottle's Slide Fire, a Guns America blogger noted last year, "There isn’t going to be any way to get around what this thing does and I think it is best to call it what it is," he writes. "The Slide Fire is a $369 replacement stock for your AR-15 that when used properly, simulates automatic fire."
“The Slide Fire simply allows you to shoot as fast as you want to,” Cottle told Guns America. “You can shoot one round, 2 rounds, 3 rounds, 15 rounds or a full magazine.… There are no moving parts in the Slide Fire and no springs. You hold your finger on the trigger rest and push forward to fire the gun. It is not automatic. Nothing is automatic. You actively fire every round, and if you stop pushing forward or you take your finger off the trigger the gun stops firing. It just helps you fire the gun in semi-automatic very fast."
So far, for gun owners, the bump-fire devices are largely regarded as cool toys, and salesmen were cutting prices on the devices at the Lawrenceville Gun Show in order to move them.
As one Internet commenter said, "It's a fun toy, but nowhere near as impressive as the advertisements for it will lead you to believe. No surprise really. Hence the reason why the law enforcement and security community is NOT rushing out to buy such stocks for their semi-auto rifles."
But that machine gun capability is so easily, and legally, acquired also highlights to some experts how little most Americans know about gun culture, and, for that reason, how difficult a task it can be to legislatively curb Second Amendment rights. President Obama has already focused much of his gun safety push on executive orders, in a nod to the near-impossibility of getting Congress to seriously address new gun-control measures.
"The fact is, in a lot of cases we overstate how much people know about [gun-control policies], because most don't follow the details of pending legislation closely," says Brendan Nyhan, a political science professor at Dartmouth College, in Hanover, N.H.
But even within American gun culture, specific products and policies are up for debate, he notes. "The open-minded gun owner may express a different opinion on a bundle of proposals to restrict gun rights versus a specific proposal," such as limiting assault weapons, says Mr. Nyhan.
Well aware of the implications of bump-fire devices, gun salesmen are quick to tout that the ATF has given the thumbs-up. "Nobody can predict what the ATF is going to do about anything, but from our side we have done everything by the book," Cottle, the Slide Fire inventor, told the gun blog.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 10:57 pm
@oralloy,
false.
oralloy
 
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Tue 3 Oct, 2017 11:00 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
think hard. Murder is hardly confined to inner cities.

That's where the high crime rates are. Reducing poverty there will reduce crime rates and eliminate most of the murders.

There will always be some murders in any location. That's just the way things are.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 11:03 pm
@oralloy,
reducing inner city poverty is pretty much the first thing you've ever posted which made sense. okay, second thing, statehood for P.R. is long overdo, and I think a recent referendum affirmed that's what they want.
roger
 
  1  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 11:03 pm
@MontereyJack,
Interesting. I'm still somewhat hazy on the operating principle.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 11:04 pm
@MontereyJack,
That article I recently posted was from the Christian Science Monitor
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 11:13 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
false.

No. The reason why police defend themselves from black people more often is because black people attack them more often.
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cameronleon
 
  -4  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 11:24 pm
This young woman claims that an unknown woman was warning that many will die in that concert.

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/las-vegas-shooting-witness-video-latest-news-861252.jpg

She describes the unknown woman perhaps as a Latino woman.

It happens that many Philippine women look like Latino women. Perhaps Stephen Paddock didn't work alone after all.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/861252/Las-Vegas-shooting-latest-news-Mandalay-Bay-Route-91-Marilou-Danley

Quote:
The witness, 21, told local news: “She had been messing with a lady in front of her and telling her she was going to die, that we were all going to die.

“They escorted her out to make her stop messing around with all the other people, but none of us knew it was going to be serious.”

She described the lady as Hispanic. The lady was escorted from the venue along with a man.

The unnamed witness, who was attending the event on her 21st birthday, described the pair as short, both around 5 ft 5ins to 5ft 6ins tall, and looked like “everyday people”.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 11:44 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:
Interesting. I'm still somewhat hazy on the operating principle.

I think the trigger is pulled back and the trigger finger stays stationary in that position, but the recoil of each shot is allowed to push the gun back just far enough to "unpull" the trigger for a moment.
roger
 
  2  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 11:52 pm
@oralloy,
Oh. Then it doesn't require a separate movement of the trigger to fire another round. That seems to me to make it a machine gun, but if ATF allows it, that's fine with me. I know of one pump shotgun that allows itself to fire multiple rounds by holding the trigger back while operating the slide. I question the accuracy, but there is such a weapon.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 11:58 pm
@roger,
But the trigger does move. The trigger finger doesn't move, but as the gun moves backwards the trigger moves forward.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 12:15 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Then car and beer companies share the blame for drunk driving accidents.

If they lobbied successfuly against driving liscences, yes they would.
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roger
 
  1  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 12:16 am
@oralloy,
Ah, my education continues.
snood
 
  2  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 12:34 am
This is a town hall Obama did close to the end of his presidency. He answers a gun shop owner's question. I think he explains the need for gun legislation and the NRA's chokehold on the process pretty well. But I bet the guy that asked the question wasn't penetrated by a bit of it. Please watch it and share your impressions.
 

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