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blatham
 
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Tue 3 Oct, 2017 06:26 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The only thing surprising in that change, Walter, is how many Americans still remain so incredibly stupid.
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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 06:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
When Canada was debating setting up its long-gun registry, Charlton Heston came up to British Columbia to attempt to quash the Canadian initiative. And other NRA operatives/supporters became active in the Canadian debate for the same reason. They did not want to see a close neighbor do anything of the sort. That wasn't because they gave a damn about Canada/Canadians. They just didn't want to see a precedent so close to home because it might influence Americans' thinking.
blatham
 
  3  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 06:37 am
Quote:
Here it comes again. The U.S. House will vote Tuesday, for the third time since 2013, on a national ban on abortions that occur after 20 weeks of pregnancy.

As on the previous two occasions, the Senate will block any action on the bill (which would need 60 votes to overcome a certain filibuster by most Democrats and at least a couple of Republicans). It is also blatantly unconstitutional under prior Supreme Court precedents. And it also is aimed at addressing a nonexistent crisis of late-term abortions (the CDC estimates that 98.2 percent of abortions occur by the end of the 20th week of pregnancy, and 96.9 percent by 17 weeks).

So why is this legislation coming up again? And for that matter, why have 20 states enacted versions of it, despite strong indications that it would never pass constitutional muster?

The short answer is that 20-week bans reflect a long-standing strategic decision by the anti-abortion movement to focus on a tiny number of late-term abortions, even though their ultimate goal is to ban the vast number of abortions that occur earlier, mostly in the first trimester of pregnancy. Coupled with lurid imagery and misinformation about the nature and frequency of late-term abortions, this strategy achieved the movement’s biggest-ever legal victory, the 2007 Supreme Court decision in Gonzales v. Carhart, in which a 5-4 majority upheld a congressional ban on so-called “partial-birth abortions,” defined as a specific abortion method (“intact D&E”) that Congress “found” never to be medically necessary.
Ed Kilgore
Does anyone imagine that if, somehow, abortions were totally banned in the US that this crowd of ******* lunatics would deem their holy mission completed and that they would then cease trying to control women, their bodies and their autonomy in sexual matters?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 3 Oct, 2017 06:38 am
@blatham,
When we got the national register (we had them locally/statewide since decades), the gun lobby opposed it, because of ... wikileaks: others could get the data of collectors, valuable weapons could easily be stolen, privacy concerns of those in shooting clubs ...
blatham
 
  3  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 07:00 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Yes. And if there is an attack from the spider creatures of Tau Ceti, they could use these data bases to find and bite the heads off gun owners. Then there would be no liberty!
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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 07:34 am
The darned public relations inconvenience of thousands of American citizens having their heads blown apart, eyeballs sent rolling across a bloody floor, jaws and faces ripped up like someone took a chain saw to them.
Quote:
The bill [to make silencers easier for gun freaks to purchase and use], which we've been keeping an eye on in recent months, was poised to come up for a vote this week, but in the wake of the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history, GOP leaders have delayed consideration of the legislation.

If that sounds vaguely familiar, it's because this isn't the first time: Republicans initially delayed the bill on silencers because of the mass shooting that nearly killed House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.). In other words, a mass shooting delayed a Republican gun bill, which made a comeback, only to be delayed by another mass shooting.
Benen
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blatham
 
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Tue 3 Oct, 2017 07:44 am
Quote:
While the attack in Las Vegas this weekend has been called the worst mass shooting in modern history, allies of President Donald Trump told Axios they don’t think the President will pivot left on the gun control debate like he did on the debt ceiling.

Axios spoke with more than 20 sources inside and outside the White House since the shooting, including former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, who said the reaction from Trump’s base would be “actually worse” if he made a deal with Democrats on gun control than if he had supported comprehensive immigration reform.

“Impossible: will be the end of everything,” Bannon told Axios in a text message.

Longtime former Trump adviser Roger Stone made similar comments.

“Base would go insane and he knows it,” he said.
TPM
The base is already insane but we grant that there's no apparent limit to the possible level of insanity. Bannon is likely to be speaking for dramatic effect but it's possible he's right about this comparison between gun legislation and immigration. Would the base go nuttier with gun legislation that easing restrictions on abortion? I don't know. It's certainly possible.
ehBeth
 
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Tue 3 Oct, 2017 07:48 am
@blatham,
Quote:
While the attack in Las Vegas this weekend has been called the worst mass shooting in modern history, allies of President Donald Trump told Axios they don’t think the President will pivot left on the gun control debate


don't they mean best mass shooting
hugest mass shooting
most successful mass shooting

it's simply a matter of understanding the right words to use

thank you #45

this will be off the news radar shortly - no need for him to pivot anywhere
blatham
 
  4  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 07:49 am
Trump, this morning:
Quote:
“Look, we have a tragedy. We’re going to — what happened in Las Vegas is in many ways a miracle. The police department has done such an incredible job, and we’ll be talking about gun laws as time goes by.”


Miracles. They don't make them like they used to. First, Puerto Rico and now Las Vegas. Miracles both. Let's celebrate.
blatham
 
  4  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 07:52 am
@ehBeth,
I wonder how many gun freaks are presently searching for details on what weapons and modifications the killer used because that level of efficiency is admirable. And exciting.
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ehBeth
 
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Tue 3 Oct, 2017 08:13 am
@blatham,
precisely

a miracle
the best

#45 is good at spinning - branding is his thing
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snood
 
  3  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 09:02 am
Maybe our suggestions for remedies are weak and ineffectual, at best. A lot of us believe that the rational response to the ever more frequent occurrence of multiple deaths by gunshot is legislating things like universal background checks and restricting access to people with bad mental health or violent histories. Maybe that's not the way to fight against this thing. Maybe there's another way for a civilized society to prevent that person out there (you know he's out there) who wants to break this horrible body count record. What are the remedies of the 2nd amendment warriors here? In the opinions of all those who resist gun control, what can be done to prevent this from happening? Or do you think the rising body count is just the required sacrifice this American society needs to pay for "freedom"?
izzythepush
 
  2  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 09:10 am
@snood,
It's all about being a slave to fear. You have to be pretty frightened to need all those guns and talk about wearing body armour just to go to the shops.

These people aren't free, far from it.
snood
 
  2  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 09:13 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

It's all about being a slave to fear. You have to be pretty frightened to need all those guns and talk about wearing body armour just to go to the shops.

These people aren't free, far from it.

The problem is that we live among "these people", and they among us. We have to be held in captivity to their fear right along with them. Unless there's some way to put all the 2nd amendment crusaders in a colony somewhere.
ehBeth
 
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Tue 3 Oct, 2017 09:21 am
@snood,
snood wrote:
Unless there's some way to put all the 2nd amendment crusaders in a colony somewhere.


didn't George Carlin do a piece on that?
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 09:23 am
@snood,
The first thing to do is counter their lies. Freedom is not about being armed, it's about being able to choose who governs you.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 09:26 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
It's all about being a slave to fear.


I'm seeing this all over my FB feed. People who are absolutely terrified about what might happen if they didn't have their guns. It's a bit bizarro world to watch.

They don't believe that people in other countries can live safely without an arsenal. They don't believe the statistics from other countries. Facts absolutely elude them. No facts, no science - it's all too confusing.

Americans do seem fearful. Not sure where that came from - it started before 9-11 but sure escalated then. And as usual, Florida peeps seem to be at the leading edge of fear. Fear of China, Fear of North Korea, fear of Iran, fear of losing their guns. They are a truly frightened lot.
snood
 
  3  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 09:33 am
@ehBeth,
Quote:
Americans do seem fearful. Not sure where that came from - it started before 9-11 but sure escalated then.


I'm not entirely sure where it comes from, either. But I'm fairly certain that it is stoked and perpetuated by the fact that fear is profitable. To wit - gun sales just spiked as a result of this latest massacre.
snood
 
  4  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 09:41 am
I would like to hear the remedy suggestions from the Foofies and Oralloys. Or if they believe that these kinds of shootings are just a necessary sacrifice we have to endure to be free.
BillW
 
  2  
Tue 3 Oct, 2017 10:04 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Quote:
Americans do seem fearful. Not sure where that came from - it started before 9-11 but sure escalated then.


I'm not entirely sure where it comes from, either. But I'm fairly certain that it is stoked and perpetuated by the fact that fear is profitable. To wit - gun sales just spiked as a result of this latest massacre.


I live in Oklahoma, doesn't get any redder or gun happy than here. And, believe me, most of these people do not need guns in their possession. It gets scarier every day. It is an epidemic that needs to be cured.
 

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