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oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 28 Sep, 2017 10:17 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:
Especially when the person being investigated is the the person doing the firing, and that person is guilty; ie, Nixon hisself!

The Constitution says otherwise. There is no such exception in the President's power over the executive branch.
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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Thu 28 Sep, 2017 10:18 pm
@oralloy,
When it's a case in which you are one of the people that may be directly involved, and you quash the investigation, that's obstruction, no way around it.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Thu 28 Sep, 2017 10:20 pm
@oralloy,
The break in was a felony, and they're not trivial. Your objections, on the other hand, are trivial.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 28 Sep, 2017 10:23 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
When it's a case in which you are one of the people that may be directly involved, and you quash the investigation, that's obstruction, no way around it.

Wrong. There is nothing in the law that says any such thing.
BillW
 
  2  
Thu 28 Sep, 2017 10:25 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

The break in was a felony, and they're not trivial. Your objections, on the other hand, are trivial.


Not trivial - the objections are corrupt, immoral, depraved, degenerate, reprobate, vice-ridden, perverted, debauched, dissolute, dissipated, bad, wicked, evil, base, sinful, ungodly, unholy, irreligious, profane, impious, impure.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Thu 28 Sep, 2017 10:26 pm
@oralloy,
whole lotta legal scholars would disagree.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Thu 28 Sep, 2017 10:27 pm
@BillW,
well,yes, that's true.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 28 Sep, 2017 10:27 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
The break in was a felony, and they're not trivial.

It was trivial when compared to the Democrats corrupting entire federal agencies and using them to spy on their political opponents.


MontereyJack wrote:
Your objections, on the other hand, are trivial.

Pointing out that the law is the exact opposite of what you claim is hardly trivial. Facts matter, no matter how inconvenient they are for you.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 28 Sep, 2017 10:29 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
whole lotta legal scholars would disagree.

Can any of these alleged scholars cite a law that actually says what you claimed?
oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 28 Sep, 2017 10:33 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:
Not trivial - the objections are corrupt, immoral, depraved, degenerate, reprobate, vice-ridden, perverted, debauched, dissolute, dissipated, bad, wicked, evil, base, sinful, ungodly, unholy, irreligious, profane, impious, impure.

Liberals react to facts like vampires react to sunlight.
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Thu 28 Sep, 2017 10:36 pm
@oralloy,
The entire government, vboth political parties, yes, the Republicans were aghst at Nixon, the Plumbers' breakin which was WAY beyond the pale for political "spying", to use your term, and Nixon's attempted coverup and firing those who would S have to do the act when they refused to. Sorry, oralloy, it was no witch hunt. Nixon was WAY outside the rules, and it led to his resignation before he surely would have been censured and, bipartisanly, found guilty.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Thu 28 Sep, 2017 10:37 pm
@oralloy,
yep
oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 28 Sep, 2017 10:50 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
The entire government, vboth political parties, yes, the Republicans were aghst at Nixon, the Plumbers' breakin which was WAY beyond the pale for political "spying", to use your term,

Given the reality that much worse spying was common practice, especially by the Democrats, the Plumbers' breakin was hardly beyond the pale.


MontereyJack wrote:
Sorry, oralloy, it was no witch hunt.

Pretending that normal Washington behavior is somehow an extraordinary crime is very much a witch hunt.


MontereyJack wrote:
Nixon was WAY outside the rules,

Nixon's spying wasn't a tenth as bad as the spying that previous presidents (including Democrats) routinely did.


MontereyJack wrote:
and it led to his resignation before he surely would have been censured and, bipartisanly, found guilty.

The Republicans back then were naive. They were not prepared for the Democrats' witch hunt.

Republicans today are not going to fall for the Democrats' witch hunting BS. If the Democrats elicit any sort of reaction at all, it will be a move to outlaw the Democratic Party in America so as to end their witch hunts once and for all.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 28 Sep, 2017 10:52 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Can any of these alleged scholars cite a law that actually says what you claimed?

yep

Let's see a cite then.

Not an excuse to distract from an inability to cite an imaginary law. If you want to claim that the law exists and can be cited, let's see the cite.
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Blickers
 
  3  
Thu 28 Sep, 2017 11:08 pm
@oralloy,
Quote oralloy:
Quote:

That a witch hunt jails people over trivial offenses does not change that they are trivial offenses.

No, it means the perps committed a jailable crime. And you can't argue that these crimes were minor but overprosecuted in this case since people go to jail all the time for burglary and breaking and entering.

Quote oralloy:
Quote:
That is incorrect. If deciding that an investigation should not be pursued were obstruction of justice, every prosecutor and law enforcement officer in the nation would be guilty of obstruction, as they decide not to pursue cases all the time.

You are incorrect. You can decide a case not be pursued becaue it's not winnable, but not pursuing a case because you have an interest in the truth not coming out is obstruction of justice.

Let me explain it to you this way: ripping up a piece of paper is not a crime. Ripping up a piece of paper because it would lead to a case against me is obstruction of justice.


oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 28 Sep, 2017 11:18 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
No, it means the perps committed a jailable crime. And you can't argue that these crimes were minor but overprosecuted in this case since people go to jail all the time for burglary and breaking and entering.

I most certainly can argue it. Compared to the Democrats corrupting entire federal agencies into spying on their political opponents, this was trivial.


Blickers wrote:
You are incorrect. You can decide a case not be pursued becaue it's not winnable, but not pursuing a case because you have an interest in the truth not coming out is obstruction of justice.

Can you cite anything even remotely like that in the text of the law?

Incidentally, if such a law does actually exist, it is unconstitutional. A law cannot prevent the President from exercising his powers under the Constitution.


Blickers wrote:
Let me explain it to you this way: ripping up a piece of paper is not a crime. Ripping up a piece of paper because it would lead to a case against me is obstruction of justice.

There is a substantial difference between "an official in charge of an investigation choosing to not pursue it" and "someone destroying evidence in an investigation that the government is pursuing".
izzythepush
 
  2  
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 12:28 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I'm for unions, but not for a teacher's union that is so powerful that it damages education, and forces people to fund that damage.




What damages education is employing someone to teach kids about the Holocaust who has to ask if Stalin was controlled by Jews.

American teachers are some of the lowest paid in the developed World. Many have to work through the Summer break, doesn't sound like a powerful union to me.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 12:47 am
Diplomatic conventions have never been Donald Trump's business. The US President has already thrown so many of them over the top that one might think that he could no longer break any taboos in this area. And yet he always manages it.

Other world leaders congratulated Chancellor Merkel on winning the election at the start of the week. The US president took four days to offer his congratulations. (Merkel's CDU party won 33 percent of the vote after 12 years of Merkel at the helm. The CDU is currently in negotiations to form a coalition government.)
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 01:10 am
Quote:
A school district in Louisiana has vowed to punish players who refuse to stand for the US national anthem, as other schools weigh in on the debate.
In their decision, the Bossier Parish School Board cited "respect and reverence" for the military, a spokesperson told the BBC.
A number of National Football League (NFL) players have protested after being attacked by the US president.
Activists say the law bans schools from punishing non-disruptive protesters.
In Louisiana, the head of Parkway High School wrote a letter on Thursday morning to parents and students vowing to suspend or remove from sports teams anyone who demonstrates while the national anthem is played.
"Failure to comply will result in a loss of playing time and/or participation as directed by the head coach and principal. Continued failure to comply will result in removal from the team," principal Waylon Bates wrote.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41419906<br />

So much for freedom of speech, I guess that only really applies if you're a Nazi.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 01:18 am
Quote:
The US Senate Intelligence Committee has criticised Twitter for offering an "inadequate" appearance in briefings on Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.
Democratic Senator Mark Warner said the briefings were "deeply disappointing".
The social network earlier said it had shut down about 200 accounts linked to a Russian misinformation campaign.
It follows a review by Facebook which found Russian-funded adverts helping to spread false misinformation online.
Twitter said it found a match for 22 of roughly 450 accounts Facebook shared, and another 179 "linked accounts".
Russia has repeatedly denied claims that it interfered in the US elections.
Twitter made the announcement as it briefed members of the US government behind closed doors.
Both the House and Senate intelligence committees are looking into allegations of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election - something the Kremlin strongly denies.
The Facebook case involved thousands of adverts, purchased in Russia, which directed users towards hundreds of different Facebook accounts.
Those accounts did not support any particular candidate, but instead posted inflammatory information on hot topics such as immigration.
In one example, CNN reported an advert referencing the Black Lives Matter movement was deliberately targeted to reach people in Ferguson, Missouri - home to violent protests over the shooting of unarmed black men by police officers from late 2014.
Twitter said it had banned all accounts found to break its rules, including rules on spam. Unlike the Facebook investigation, none was registered as an advertiser, it said.
The company also revealed that accounts belonging to state-funded Russian media network Russia Today - which it said had "strong links to the Russian government" - had spent about $274,100 on ads targeting the US market during 2016. However, paying social networks to promote tweets is a common strategy among media organisations.
Twitter's banning of the accounts has not placated lawmakers, according to reports.
Senator Warner said Twitter's appearance at the joint committee session was disappointing and revealed little new information.
"Their response was, frankly, inadequate on almost every level," he told reporters.
His party colleague on the House committee, Adam Schiff, said Twitter had taken only "remedial steps" against accounts linked to Russia.
"We look forward to hearing more from Twitter as we continue to investigate how Russia sought to push disinformation and fake news through the use of bots and false personas to influence the outcome of the election," he said.
Twitter said it would continue to investigate.
Thursday's intelligence committee briefings were closed, and it is not clear if additional information was shared with lawmakers beyond what Twitter wrote in its public blog post.
"Due to the nature of these inquiries, we may not always be able to publicly share what we discuss with investigators. And there will always be tools or methods we cannot talk about, because doing so would only help bad actors circumvent them," the company said.
Both Facebook and Twitter, along with Google, are expected to be invited to appear in separate open sessions before both intelligence committees in the coming months.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41436406
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