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BillW
 
  2  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 08:24 pm
Besides Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump, Reince Prebus, Stephen Miller, Stephen Bannon and Gary Cohn all used private eMails to conduct White house business! LOCK THEM UP............

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/us/politics/private-email-trump-kushner-bannon.html
Builder
 
  0  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 08:27 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Yes, ******* yes American citizens living abroad can vote in US elections.


Oh, hi Set. Is this your alter-ego?

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Why do you keep making a fool of yourself?


LOL. Says the one ranting like a lunatic on a debate forum.

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Finn seems to enjoy this image, each other's 'ample' butts.


Well, all that time you were a pen-pusher for the gov, I'm not surprised you have a yuuuuuuuuuge arse.

I'm still in triathlon form. But thanks for asking, gitterbug.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 08:29 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:
Besides Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump, Reince Prebus, Stephen Miller, Stephen Bannon and Gary Cohn all used private eMails to conduct White house business! LOCK THEM UP............

A private email account is hardly a crime.
glitterbag
 
  3  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 08:42 pm
Triathalon, snort!
snood
 
  2  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 09:05 pm
@glitterbag,
Wonder what color the sky is, in his world?
BillW
 
  2  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 09:06 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

BillW wrote:
Besides Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump, Reince Prebus, Stephen Miller, Stephen Bannon and Gary Cohn all used private eMails to conduct White house business! LOCK THEM UP............

A private email account is hardly a crime.


Such hypocrisy, tsk-tsk! "The law was amended in late 2014 to require that personal emails be transferred to government servers within 20 days. " and, it better not be classified information.
BillW
 
  -1  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 09:07 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Wonder what color the sky is, in his world?


Butthole brown!
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 09:23 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:
Such hypocrisy, tsk-tsk!

No. Not really.


BillW wrote:
"The law was amended in late 2014 to require that personal emails be transferred to government servers within 20 days. " and, it better not be classified information.

Do you have more information about this law that you are referring to?
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BillW
 
  3  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 09:33 pm
REALLY!!!
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Builder
 
  -2  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 09:39 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Triathalon, snort!


Oh! I'll take that as a big YES! on our assumption that you do, indeed, have a yuuuge backside from all those years of pen-pushing. Thanks gitterbug. Very Happy
snood
 
  5  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 09:53 pm
I swear this Trumpcare thing is like Jason from the Halloween movies. Sucker just won't die and stay dead. They tried to pass repeal of the ACA over 50 times in the last couple years of Obama. Now that they run all of D.C., they're at 3 times (and counting) to get their tax-breaks - for- the -rich "healthcare" bill through, to no avail. Wonder if the friggin thing will stay dead this time?
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blatham
 
  3  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 09:53 pm
@nimh,
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I don't doubt the term has currency among the right especially, I just see little suspicious or counterintuitive about a socialist using it either.
That's a fair statement. My suspicions, in this case, had more to do with the speaker than the speech.

There are issues of social class here, obviously, and the privileges (or disadvantages) that attend class. The growing income inequality that began to diverge more acutely in the 80s has continued that same trend into the present. How/why this happened is certainly a matter of interest because if we don't get that right, it's difficult to imagine how we might plot a course to correct it. I haven't read either of Frank's books (though have read quite a bit he's written elsewhere). I like his anger and understand his pessimism and I respond to his species of lefty populism (my dad was a union organizer and that graph of increasing inequality has a real correspondence to the decline in union membership). But I think he's missing something quite key to the modern situation. That is the asymmetry of the two parties as described by Mann and Orstein and also by Pierson and Hacker. Along with many others, I carbon-date the shift at the Powell Memo in the early 70s.

It's unfortunate and understandable that neither Frank nor the four others have offered up (at least that I've seen) some good means of correcting what has gone wrong. There are very big problems and barriers involved. And I personally do not see a solution coming from Sanders himself even if his impulses are mostly right. The Occupy movement was the obvious precursor and why it fizzled so quickly ought to be instructive. Or we could go back further to Ralph Nader. I think a 3rd party attempt in America is destined to fail whether from the right or the left. Sanders surely gets that too, thus his run as a Dem.

As Gage argues in her review (it's a good piece - thank you) FDR managed to overcome his background, wealth, connections etc and became a true populist President. But that period of time was much different from this one in many ways. Clinton and Obama both came from lower middle class backgrounds (which says something good about the Dem party) but both faced circumstances and levels of opposition which seriously limited what they could do. The key element of both men's circumstances was/is a highly organized and incredibly well-funded movement which set out to remove them from office or to at least curtail their populist urges and policies (eg the dedicated effort to stop Hillarycare). That Obama managed to get the ACA done and into law was something of a historical wonder.

My personal notion, to end off here, is that our best hope for a serious and effective movement to carry/force Dems back to inclusion of those who are poor and powerless will be a movement led by and mainly populated by women. Either that or an immense catastrophe. I'd prefer the former.
glitterbag
 
  3  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:09 pm
@Builder,
Oh that really sucks, I sooooo wanted you to like me....now go **** in your tiny hat
Builder
 
  -1  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:14 pm
@glitterbag,
I'm building a bridge. Hope you get over it. Very Happy
glitterbag
 
  1  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:35 pm
@Builder,
I'll be fine, don't worry your empty little head, tough guy.
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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 11:11 pm
@oralloy,
I think Set is right. You're delusional. tHAT IS SIMPY A FACT. I READ YOUR CITE AND nowhere IN IT IS THERE ANYTNHING ABOUT YOUR ABSURD REPEAT AND REPEAT THAT b lm , OR ANYONE ELSE BLACK, AVOCATES MURDERING POLICE. tHAT IS Purely yokur sick fantasy and has no lkgrounding in reality. If that's the best you can do, it completely does not bear you out. (Again, the caps were unintentional. The caps lock key is too close to the rest of the keyboard, and I hit it unintentionally and ddin't discover it was on until a paragraph later. Damn HP keyboards). )nce again you make an absurd charge and totally fail to prove it. BLM and the protesting athletes have consistently advocated for equal treatment for black people from a system that has treated them unequally for three centuries and still does.
as has been made painfully lear in the last two years much of the system is rigged against blacks and you and Do,nald Trump are making it exponentially worse. Well, you're not, because nobody pays you r views any credence.

Mo, BLM is not advocating murdering police, nor have they practiced it in any way shape or form. Goes totally against what they stand for. You, however, are a thug.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 11:14 pm
@oralloy,
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Sure. Here is a link showing that BLM is all about wanting to harshly punish people who defend themselves when blacks try to murder them:
http://stories.californiasunday.com/2015-03-01/black-lives-matter/

A couple of excerpts:
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She’d been expecting a conviction, for manslaughter if not murder, but Zimmerman was acquitted. “It felt like a gut punch, you know?”
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the afternoon before, in Ferguson, Missouri, 18-year-old Michael Brown had been shot and killed by Darren Wilson, a police officer.

This was a turning point for #blacklivesmatter. In the following weeks, as the slogan trended on Twitter and Facebook, it became synonymous with the protests taking place across the country, as close as the disparate movement came to a clarion call.


MontereyJack
 
  3  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 11:17 pm
@MontereyJack,
You will note that there is NOTHING in what you aseeem to consider damning info about BLM that in any way whatsoever backs up your fallacious claim that their real motive is murdering police. That is entirely your sick fantasy
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 11:34 pm
@oralloy,
orall;oy says"
Quote:

A private email account is hardly a crime.
Oh, for christ's sake, it is when you're conducting WH business on it. You DO remember the years of GOP flapdoodle when Hillary did it, don't you? Now it seems like half the Trump administration did it AFTER years of scorching Hillary, and they still **** up.
Setanta
 
  3  
Mon 25 Sep, 2017 11:37 pm
@blatham,
To you and Habibi: What the origin of the term limousine liberal may have been is not half as interesting as the irony here. Since when have conservatives/Republicans been opposed to limousines?--especially if they could get them on the taxpayers' dime? It's like last year's campaign when they were peein' in their panties about Mrs. Clinton allegedly being linked to Wall Street bankers. Since when have conservatives/Republicans been opposed to bankers, from Wall Street or anywhere else.?

Hypocrisy, thy name is Republican. It's all the more delicious as President Plump is allegedly (a feeble and unsubstantiated allegation) a billionaire, and claims to be a businessman. That claim is only founded on failing to pay his bills and ruining many small renovation contractors. The four corporations he founded all sought bankruptcy protection.

What a perfect standard bearer for the Republicans!
 

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