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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
revelette1
 
  4  
Thu 14 Sep, 2017 07:12 am
@Lash,
So what are your thoughts on DACA? Do you think immigrants who were brought over as babies should have a pathway to citizenship?

As for the agreement, not sure about it. Trump seems to be denying it.
revelette1
 
  4  
Thu 14 Sep, 2017 07:22 am
Rice told investigators why she unmasked Trump aides (CNN)

Quote:
Former national security adviser Susan Rice privately told House investigators that she unmasked the identities of senior Trump officials to understand why the crown prince of the United Arab Emirates was in New York late last year, multiple sources told CNN.


The New York meeting preceded a separate effort by the UAE to facilitate a back-channel communication between Russia and the incoming Trump White House.

The crown prince, Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan, arrived in New York last December in the transition period before Trump was sworn into office for a meeting with several top Trump officials, including Michael Flynn, the president's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and his top strategist Steve Bannon, sources said.

The Obama administration felt misled by the United Arab Emirates, which had failed to mention that Zayed was coming to the United States even though it's customary for foreign dignitaries to notify the US government about their travels, according to several sources familiar with the matter. Rice, who served as then-President Obama's national security adviser in his second term, told the House Intelligence Committee last week that she requested the names of the Americans mentioned in the classified report be revealed internally, a practice officials in both parties say is common.

Rice's previously undisclosed revelation in a classified setting shines new light on a practice that had come under sharp criticism from the committee chairman, California Rep. Devin Nunes, and President Donald Trump, who previously accused Rice of committing a crime.

But her explanation appears to have satisfied some influential Republicans on the committee, undercutting both Nunes and Trump and raising new questions about whether any Trump associates tried to arrange back-channel discussions with the Russians.

"I didn't hear anything to believe that she did anything illegal," Florida Rep. Tom Rooney, a Republican helping to lead the panel's Russia invesigation, told CNN of Rice's testimony. He declined to discuss any of the contents of her classified remarks.



More at the source above.

I guess now the WH is on to another distraction since that one came up a dud, "investigation of Comey."
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Thu 14 Sep, 2017 07:48 am
@revelette1,
A large percentage of those who elected Trump and the WH (until recently) want the Dreamers to leave the country.
Did no-one ever tell him such?

Quote:
Donald J. Trump‏
@realDonaldTrump

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really? ...

Quote:
Donald J. Trump‏
@realDonaldTrump
...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security
BillW
 
  5  
Thu 14 Sep, 2017 08:23 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

A large percentage of those who elected Trump and the WH (until recently) want the Dreamers to leave the country.
Did no-one ever tell him such?

Quote:
Donald J. Trump‏
@realDonaldTrump

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really? ...

Quote:
Donald J. Trump‏
@realDonaldTrump
...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security



In all fairness to them on the right, they would love to throw out a lot of other people too! In fact, it is easier to list whom would be on the inclusion list, whites.....
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BillW
 
  6  
Thu 14 Sep, 2017 08:41 am
tRump 101 - Interpreting tRump: FakeNews@realtRump

means -

Yeah, it's true, take my back and deny it for me!

This concludes another episode of tRump 101!
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revelette1
 
  4  
Thu 14 Sep, 2017 08:58 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I'm confused. In the following Trump said the "wall will come later." Does that mean he agrees with democrats to make legislation without the "wall" now and work the border "wall" later?

Quote:
WASHINGTON — President Trump said on Thursday morning that he supports legislation that would protect young undocumented immigrants from deportation and would deliver a “massive” increase in border security — but not with a wall on the southern border.

That appeared to confirm the broad parameters of an agreement that Democratic leaders announced had been reached Wednesday over dinner at the White House.

In remarks to reporters as he left the White House on Thursday, Mr. Trump said, “We’re working on a plan for DACA,” referring to protections for immigrants who are part of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.

Mr. Trump’s comments contradicted his own Twitter posts early Thursday morning when he said, “no deal was made last night on DACA.”

Even if Mr. Trump and Democratic leaders agree to support legislation to protect the young undocumented immigrants, any proposal would need the support of Republicans, who control the House and Senate.

On Thursday morning, the president said that there would need to be a larger deal on securing the United States’ border in order to complete any agreement on protections for the immigrants. Democrats said the Wednesday dinner agreement did not include funding for the border wall between the United States and Mexico — a top priority of the Trump administration — drawing immediate criticism from some within the president’s own party. Mr. Trump confirmed that on Thursday as well, saying, “The wall will come later.”

Senator Chuck Schumer, the Senate minority leader of New York, and Representative Nancy Pelosi, the House minority leader of California, issued a joint statement on Thursday saying there was no “final deal.”

“What remains to be negotiated are the details of border security, with a mutual goal of finalizing all details as soon as possible,” the Democratic leaders said. “While both sides agreed that the wall would not be any part of this agreement, the president made clear he intends to pursue it at a later time, and we made clear we would continue to oppose it.”

Mr. Trump’s Twitter posts seemingly shooting down reports of a DACA deal came after some Republicans criticized him for his making deals with Democrats, particularly if the accord excludes the border wall, a move that could jeopardize the support of his own base. Mr. Trump appeared to address that in a subsequent Twitter post: “The WALL, which is already under construction in the form of new renovation of old and existing fences and walls, will continue to be built.”

Later, he told reporters, “The wall will come later, we’re right now renovating large sections of wall, massive sections, making it brand new.”

After Wednesday’s dinner, White House and Democratic staff sought to clarify what came from the meeting.

Late Wednesday, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary, tweeted that there was no agreement out of the dinner about “excluding” the wall. Shortly after her post, the communications director for Mr. Schumer tweeted that the wall was not part of the agreement, but that Mr. Trump made clear he would continue to push for it.


In another pair of tweets on Thursday morning, Mr. Trump questioned whether anyone actually wanted to deport these young immigrants, raising more questions about the president’s intentions for this program. On Sept. 5, the president moved to end the DACA program and called on Congress to pass a replacement.



More at NYT
Sturgis
 
  5  
Thu 14 Sep, 2017 09:29 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
Does that mean...


It's Trump. Does anyone, even himself, know what he means at any given moment?
BillW
 
  4  
Thu 14 Sep, 2017 10:53 am
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:

Quote:
Does that mean...


It's Trump - Does anyone, even himself, know what he means at any given moment?


tRump 101 - Everything is always up for sale.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Thu 14 Sep, 2017 12:01 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
A large percentage of those who elected Trump want to see our existing immigration laws enforced.

The so-called Dreamers are a sympathetic bunch but are they really any more sympathetic than the people who have been trying for years to become citizens of the US through the process that conforms with our laws? Are those people all chumps for wanting to begin their citizenship by following the laws of the country they hope to call home?

What are we to tell immigrants who have waited years and spent thousands?

Quote:
Yeah, these kids needed a break and what kind of heartless louts would we be if we didn't give them one?

You? Well, your first mistake was to try and abide by our laws. If you had snuck across our borders and laid low for a while, your kids could be Dreamers too! Besides these people are all poor and if you can afford to spend thousands on unconscionable govt filing fees and lawyers who can guide you through the labyrinth of our immigrations process, you must not be.

We don't need any more damned rich people with skills thank you. What we need are more uneducated, unskilled poor people who will mow our lawns, watch our kids, pick our fruit, and vote for Democrats. You're just trying to get in here so you can start a small business that employs your extended family and fellow immigrants from XYZ country. You're either greedy or are a fool for falling for the "American Dream" tripe. Either way, you'll probably vote Republican, so again we say 'No thank you' and Check back with us when you can get a Hollywood celeb to mention you at an awards ceremony or a Pop Star to condemn the president for treating you shabbily during one of her concerts
'


You see Mr. Legal Immigrant (as if a human can be legal!), we have big hearts in this country, and if you were to get some politicians and media types to cast you and all your colleagues as the personifications of initiative, perseverance, courage, and innocence, and they came up with a schmaltzy moniker for you like "Dreamers," we would probably fall all over ourselves to out virtue signal each other in support of you.

The problem is that no one is demonizing the folks who don't give a rat's ass about you, and unless we can identify some evil bastards who are victimizing you, how can we love you?

Your second biggest mistake was not to organize yourselves and hire a marketing firm.

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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Thu 14 Sep, 2017 01:40 pm
Jim Accosta, Warrior Hack

Accosta appears to be channeling Dan Rather (who's still alive, but whose career is dead) during his days as a member of the Nixon White House press corp.

At least Accosta has enough wit to actually throw some pointed darts. It's always astounded me that Rather actually gained fame and celebrity status from an inane response he made to a question posed by President Nixon.

When given the nod to ask a question at a Presidential press conference, Rather responded "Thank you, Mr. President. Dan Rather, of CBS News."
The room erupted with both cheers and jeers which prompted Nixon to ask Rather, "Are you running for something?' The lightning quick retort from Rather was "No, sir, Mr. President. Are you?"

Over time, Rather has been able to shape conventional wisdom concerning his response to suggest that he meant to jab Nixon with an allusion to his Watergate troubles. A clever, after the fact explanation of a response that otherwise sounds childish, but of course for that to have been the case, Nixon would have had to have asked him "Are you running from something?" Instead Rather's reply was far more like the juvenile "I know you are but what am I?" than the piercing retort some have credited him with.

Even in his early days Rather, like Accosta, was a practitioner of Fake News. He claimed he was one of the first people to view the Zapruder film that captured the JFK assassination, but when he described the footage on TV he had the president's head moving forward after being hit, when, of course, the film shows it being thrown backward. This bit of phony reporting is widely featured in JFK assassination conspiracy theories as proof that the film was later doctored. Fitting for the man who attempted to concoct his own phony conspiracy theory about George W Bush.

As a native son of Texas, Rather might have been expected to be a bit kind to his home state, or at least not contribute to the usual bashing flowing from the Coasts, but he lost any chance being a hometown favorite in Texas when he falsely reported that Dallas school children cheered upon learning of the president's death. There are a lot of Texans, especially in Dallas, who will never forgive him for that.

Trump would be better served by ignoring Accosta and not help to build his celebrity, and Accosta would do well to choose a journalist other than Dan Rather as his role model.


Blickers
 
  4  
Thu 14 Sep, 2017 11:09 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I saw the Nixon press conference on TV when it happened. Rather's comment, far from inane, was a jab back at the fading president, it was clear to see at the time. Coming at a time when tradition and respect was considered normal at the time, it was quite remarkable.
cameronleon
 
  -1  
Thu 14 Sep, 2017 11:33 pm
The biggest mistake of Ronald Reagan was the amnesty to illegal immigrants.

After this amnesty the invasion of illegal immigrants increased waiting for a next president giving them amnesty again.

These "dreamers" at their will or not, are part of families which have entered illegally to the US.

Giving them amnesty will cause demands to do the same with the rest of illegal immigrants, and this plague will never stop.

The best is to freeze every transaction to every illegal immigrant in the US, and opt to make a priority the applications for permanent residence of potential immigrants who are doing the process legally from their countries thru the American Embassy.

These dreamers must return to their countries and apply from that place for permanent residence in the US.

This is not a "deportation" but just sending them to their countries and helping them to apply as it is stipulated in the law of immigration of the United States of America.

After their application is received, they must wait for their turn.

MontereyJack
 
  2  
Thu 14 Sep, 2017 11:41 pm
@cameronleon,
Most of the country disagrees with you, for the best of reasons.
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Olivier5
 
  4  
Fri 15 Sep, 2017 12:30 am
Read this morning:

Quote:
Schumer said that Democrats should trust that in this case Trump is negotiating in good faith.

Oh really? Some people love to be conned.
roger
 
  2  
Fri 15 Sep, 2017 12:47 am
@Olivier5,
Yeah, but they don't like to admit it when they find out.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Fri 15 Sep, 2017 04:24 am
@roger,
Schumer must know that Trump is a conman. All he wants is his cut in the con...

If the repubs can't help Trump pretend that he's moving his legislative agenda forward (because they can't agree among themselves), then Pilosi and Schumer are very happy to help Trump... Why, that allows them to ridicule the house and senate republicans, but it looks shortsighted to me. The right thing to do long term is to isolate Trump, not work with him.
Lash
 
  0  
Fri 15 Sep, 2017 04:45 am
I think Trump believes he is using a strong-arm tactic against the GOP, effectively showing them if they can't get their **** together, he'll go across the aisle.

I think the Dems believe they just bent Trump and the GOP across an Oval Office couch.
Brand X
 
  1  
Fri 15 Sep, 2017 05:07 am
@Lash,
I don't know how many times Trump is going to have to press Mitch and Paul's face in dough and make jackass cookies before they do anything.....but it's pretty fun to watch.
Lash
 
  1  
Fri 15 Sep, 2017 05:09 am
@Brand X,
I think they'll get off their asses now. To do exactly what, I have no idea.
 

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